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Material Control https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0776222GC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_STddAbCPM111K no world on vinyl preorders yet.

this thread is doing such a terrific job of letting me know who is a shitty person.

after a lot of back and forth, it looks like the VC pressing will (hopefully ) be a numbered mystery variant (similar to the recent hazy mountains release by @EHughes527) meaning each record will be a surprise hand-poured variant and no two will be alike, pricing will be $21.99 If everyone is okay with this, I will move forward with providing PO link. Just wanted to give everyone a head's up before opening the gates.

In case anyone wonders why victims feel unsafe coming forward...

my problem with it is solely the "look at me!! look what i'm doing!!" they can throw their own stock out if they want, it's their property.

Every canceled pre-order and all discarded store stock – in an effort to prevent Jesse from upgrading his webcam – is actually a tiny obstacle along his path to maintain help and keep his demons at bay. You think therapy is cheap? If you're canceling your order you're basically a pedophile. Just so you know.

Can you guys believe there was a time before now when you’d be in a Brand New thread and think “now I’ve seen it all.”

What he did was predatory, manipulative, and coercive...as well as illegal. This can happen to adults. Teenagers are more susceptible. Either way its abusive. It's about power dynamics. Edit: Deafening beat me to it and in a more detailed way.

It is easy to see it from this perspective being someone that has likely not been put into this kind of situation, the point is to not look at it from your own personal experience and what YOU would probably do, and open up to the experience they may have had. These girls were mentally manipulated and coerced (at a young age where hormones are in full force and the brain is still very malleable) into doing these things that made them feel uncomfortable because it made them feel good that someone they admired was giving them attention. They most likely felt hurt during the entire span of these events but still wanted to be wanted by the person that was doing this to them (not unlike an unhealthy relationship between two consenting adults). Hindsight is, unfortunately, a requirement to see the total damage done in this types of situations as your vision is blurred and your mental clarity is compromised while you're being manipulated. It doesn't matter how long "rock stars" have been doing this and no one is trying to give the death sentence. It's still not. okay. We're talking about it now, and reiterate myself, that is better than never.

Those add up to literal nickels and dimes, man.

What's up, witchesssss?

If only the 15 year old girls kept quiet like he threatened them to do, then nobody would have dug up his personal life.

fuckin whataboutism, how does it work?

I'm trying to be sincere here so I apologize in advance if I can't help but veer into snark. Asking whether perhaps the victims are more deserving of culpability/scrutiny or the perpetrator less deserving of culpability/scrutiny is not playing devil's advocate or providing a thoughtful perspective that has been overlooked. It is literally regurgitating how a majority of people have viewed abuse since the beginning of time. Adding "I'm not blaming the victim but" or "I'm not taking away the severity of what he did but" before immediately proceeding to blame the victim or take away the severity of what the perpetrator did does not relieve yourself of the burden of bearing the negative reaction you know you'll receive. Instead of saying "Here's something no one has said or considered", preface your rant with "I know this is the same opinion everyone comes up with when they pull a theory out of thin air but, for the sake of allowing me to participate, what if the victim is to blame/the perpetrator wasn't fully responsible/this is all actually about *your* hypocrisy?" Ugh. I knew I'd end with snark. Sorry!

mine just arrived...its real!

Only constructive thing I've gotten out of all this lately is that some folks should practice restraint and think before posting their "opinions" and "two cents" and maybe not even post at all...

this is the store i usually go to , and a lot of the times they do have that mentality unfortunately. I remember when this came out I told the owner I wish I'd just got mine there instead of ordering it through PMT. He kind of just did his scoff and eye roll that he usually gives anyone that tries to speak to him. I should go in tomorrow and be like " hey my order never showed, y'all got any copies left?".

this is sooo pathetic and american white male privileged thing to do. They could have charitied them off for a good cause or just return them to the distributor, but no they decided to 'let's trash it because we are better bigger than everyone else" This mentality drove me away from absolutepunk ages ago, and Drew you and your buddies changed nothing ever since.

damn that's some sound ass logic I have to go reevaluate my life decisions

I celebrate their entire catalog. That's Daylight, right? I went outside for a cig to keep me awake when I saw them. Better shooting up in hell than having to know about Foo Fighters.

Still cheaper to purchase through PayPal

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I want everyone to post their tracking numbers so I can follow the excitement in real time. Everyone complaining: is this your first Brand New thread? We haven't even gotten to the Cat/Shaq stage in its life cycle. This cocoon will yield a beautiful butterfly.

God people with Rick and Morty avatars are the fucking worst

For you wax mage lovers out there, here’s 2 variants pressed by them. https://www.jettplasticrecordings.com/collections/featured/products/king-gizzard-the-lizard-wizard-polygondwanaland-lp https://nomadeelrecords.bandcamp.com/album/polygondwanaland

Psst hey guys he did it you don't need to come up with new systems of justice to support both the accused and the accuser. Just sayin'. When is the last time a CELEBRITY ROCK STAR got falsely accused and sent to jail without the truth coming out... I'll wait.

HYPE!

I’m trying to include a bonus as well, hopefully a print of some sort but don’t want to say too much yet. the VC variant will be worth it, I promise.

I agree DC at their best is electric, but DC at his best is acoustic.

Eh, it's about as admirable as Sean Hannity fans smashing their Keurigs. Take that however you will...

I think it is admirable. They are taking a stand against what happened. Even at the financial detriment this brings to their business.

People are now much less willing to accept sexually predatory behavior than they were even a short time ago, especially where children are concerned. This is a good thing. We've for far too long tolerated (and in a not-so-subtle sense tacitly encouraged) the worst from men. As a culture, we've indulged harassment, exploitation, rape and even child abuse. We've silenced and humiliated victims, said "boys will be boys" while walking away. We've treated serious sex crimes as harmless - or at least inevitable - expressions of energetic masculinity. They are not. Our tolerance has constituted a sort of permission, and if we really want these things to stop, we've got to stop turning a blind eye.

I didn’t want to write this post, but all the “trashing-records-canceling-orders because hey i’m not a pedophile” thing is becoming ridiculous and it made me want to express my opinion, as well as try to understand some points of view. Given that Jesse Lacey revealed himself to be a total asshole beyond any reasonable doubt, I wanna discuss the role of the “victims”. What I get reading this thread is that a 15-16 year old human being is considered adult enough to drive a car and be responsible for other people’s life, BUT not enough to judge whether or not sending naked pictures to a stranger over internet just because he sings in your favourite band is a proper thing to do. One of the victims according to the Pitchfork article claims this kind of “sick” relationship went on until she was 22-23...still unable to judge? And why these “abuses” have been kept buried for 15 years? This sex scandal thing (WAIT: you are really telling me that there are people who use their power to obtain easy sex?? Common I don’t believe you! And what about women/men who use sex to make a career? NO! they don’t exist,they are all victims) has made it difficult to tell whether a woman/man is a real victim (and I’m sure most of them are) or it’s just jumping on the victims’ train to gain some attention:"Jesse told me I was the only one and he lied, now I can make him pay!” “Kevin Spacey touched my dick 30 years ago, the creepy old bastard!” For sure being a “rockstar” and using your influence in such ways is not nice, but it has always been common knowledge in rock’n’roll music so why all of a sudden, something that was known and tolerated for ages has become a crime worth of death sentence? There’s a big difference (and we cannot just ignore it) between real abuses and taking advantage of late teenage fans (I’m not saying is ok, mind!..and it’s not even legal but neither are drugs and I have no knowledge of people trashing lou reed’s records). Before letting the “go fuck/kill yourself” party begin, let me know if some points are unclear due to my poor english. Just note that I’m not judging anyone because this situation is really quite unclear to me, so most of the things I’ve expressed in my post are doubts rather than statements.

Greenway Records press will be top notch! Limited to the exact amount sold for one weeks time, This on-sale will end Tuesday 11/21 @ 11:59 EST and the press will be ordered. http://greenwayrecords.storenvy.com/products/22300512-king-gizzard-and-the-lizard-wizard-polygondwanaland-pre-order

Chill on this this. What does this have to do with race? Those records are property the store owns and they are free to do whatever they want with them. I'm really curious as to how they could've "donated" them. Are you implying they should sell products that they find problematic for profit and donate the money to a charity? They could do that now without making a transaction they're opposing in the first place. They same applies to giving them away. They clearly don't want to be a conduit to Jesse Lacey and listeners and that's their right to do. Freedom of association.

Hopefully not like The Coloring Book.

Hang on a second. You clean and de-stat your records before you subject your needle to them? What the Hell is wrong with you, man?

I think this is pretty much exactly where I stand on it. I don't want to label Jesse as a totally broken piece of trash who can never redeem himself because everyone should have that opportunity if they take the right steps. But this situation is just so slimy and gross and the 'apology' really didn't make anything better, so it's so hard to know what it would take to reach that point...I have no desire to listen to them right now, because whenever I think about it all I can think about is the people who have ended up victimised. Maybe down the line things will resolve and I'll personally feel like I can listen to it all again, but at the moment as more comes out I'm feeling more skeptical I'll reach that point. Think I'm gonna cancel my deluxe preorder and maybe down the line if things turn around pick a standard copy up. Can't help but feel kinda self-absorbed pondering all this when people are hurting though...

Well, I see most of us are at the bargaining stage already.

The real question is what did Seanbct know back when he bowled Deja? COULD HE HAVE STOPPED ALL OF THIS?!

>not 70x7

lol witch pursuit If anyone wants to get rid of deja era 7"s I'll take them off your hands, you know by keeping them you are directly endorsing this behavior and are just as bad as the perpetrator

As someone from Albany... FUCK YESSSSSSS

Gimmie dat single-digit #! Ordered.

K.

His situation is hypothetical since I do not know him or his background nor does anyone else. It is statistical fact that person that is abused has a higher likelihood of becoming an abuser themselves. Your response exemplifies what I am seeing. You wouldn’t ask the victim for proof but you are now asking for proof from a potential victim.

Yep GZ is massive! And a few of the already announced versions of this will certainly being done by them

Also true. Gizz press all their records at pirate press and theyre not that impressive.