Bladewillisisdead Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 37 minutes ago, The Ghost of Randy Savage said: You understand why it's hard to separate what is tongue in cheek from reality with you though, right? Especially in this case because you actually do repeatedly bring up that you think all cops are bastards, etc and then group something you're very serious about with something that is self-parody. Linking together two completely different tones in the same statement makes the self-parody not read as such. I contain multitudes and my posts are art. ACAB is different because all cops are part of the same broken system. So even if you show me a truly stand up good guy cop, he's still a bastard. Good cops need to take a stand against corruption and bigotry inherent in the system they're a cog in, but they won't and some would argue they can't. The cult of brotherhood between cops protects and reinforces the broken system they're employed to enforce. Take that football player guy (on the...49ers? Last name starts with a K?) who excercised his right of free speech. The police, who are supposed to...you know..stand for our rights, threatened to stop providing security for the team's games because he didn't stand up for the national anthem. How is that anything other than blatantly spitting on what our country is supposed to stand for? That's fascism. They threatened the same after Beyonce did that music video. Cops think refusing to do their job after being criticized is acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, nancy_raygun said: It's just as easy to say that libertarianism will never work as it is to say socialism never will. There's abundant amounts of evidence proving Socialism doesn't work (Venezuela, The Soviet Union). Free markets just straight up work, intervention by the state doesn't. Ever. Ask your dad about the gas shortage in the 80's. Need an example from the other side? You know the device you typed this reply on? You wouldn't have that piece of technology at an affordable cost if it wasn't for the free market tech thrives in. A competitive/open market = fair prices + innovation. As a consumer you get cool shit at a reasonable price and life moves forward. It's a real good time for everyone involved. Tommy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 some straight up infowars.com type shit is going on here right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuzzersonKillwell Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 14 hours ago, Shitty Rambo said: There's abundant amounts of evidence proving Socialism doesn't work (Venezuela, The Soviet Union). Free markets just straight up work, intervention by the state doesn't. Ever. Ask your dad about the gas shortage in the 80's. Need an example from the other side? You know the device you typed this reply on? You wouldn't have that piece of technology at an affordable cost if it wasn't for the free market tech thrives in. A competitive/open market = fair prices + If you'll look over here kids you can see casual reductionism. It's one of the most popular fallacies! futures and nancy_raygun 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I'm going to leave the typo. I kind of like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Tommy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 44 minutes ago, WAXXX said: Not advocating for Socialism here, but the reality is that any government is that powerful futures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 10 hours ago, BuzzersonKillwell said: If you'll look over here kids you can see casual reductionism. It's one of the most popular fallacies! Rad reply, dumb dumb. My favorite part was when you recited any legitimate information refuting my point. Tommy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I doubt we are even that far apart but blanket statements like that are, in my opinion, reductionist to a fault. This raises my ire. Any, or most, modalities are subject to exploitation or misuse by bad actors, either by direct manipulation or ineptitude. There are negatives and positives to socialism and examples of both in contemporary governance. The free market is a great at using innovation to increase efficiency, and that is, generally speaking, a positive. But there are plenty of examples where that has a negative impact on either the consumer or the job market. Either through the direct loss of jobs or the reduction in compensation within a given sector or vertical. I think the government has an important role to play in protecting citizens from bad corporate actors, especially in situations where the market wouldn't or wouldn't correct quickly enough. Essentially, areas where the profit motive isn't aligned with outcomes that benefit the population at large. This is not an endorsement of our current government or practices, which I think we can all agree has routinely failed us. That, to me, doesn't mean that role shouldn't exist, but rather, it is currently being poorly executed. I do think some kind of mixed economy is the best approach. Does this work or did you want to cherry-pick evidence to support my point? I'm not a huge fan of selective observation but I know how to do it. stl_ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, BuzzersonKillwell said: Does this work or did you want to cherry-pick evidence to support my point? I'm not a huge fan of selective observation but I know how to do it. No, because unlike yourself I would have rather had a constructive conversation then be a mega douche with an awful sense of humor. In other words, I'd rather not discuss anything with you at all if you're going to be a dick about it. With that being said you're definitely not giving property rights enough credit. People tend to not be "bad actors" when they have incentives to do otwrwise. I.E. Not corrupting profitable land via waste dumping and potentially violating a neighbor's property in the process. I digress, you and I don't need to discuss this any further. I legitimately don't care what you have to say otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Man, see, this makes me wish I didn't delete my first sentence because I thought it was a bit too personal an attack and would negate the rest of the post. Which was something along the lines of rarely bother replying to you because almost anytime the conversation moves beyond curt dismissive statements you fallback on memes or disengage anyway. But a little more snarky because internet point. I've taken to calling you Scooby Rambo in my head. "Ruh-roh Raggy, someone wheally replied. Let's get out of here!" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, futures, abovetheearth and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, Shitty Rambo said: No, because unlike yourself I would have rather had a constructive conversation then be a mega douche with an awful sense of humor. In other words, I'd rather not discuss anything with you at all if you're going to be a dick about it. Also, come on dude. You're the first to resort to this shit while simultaneously calling out others for doing the same. futures, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and stl_ben 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nancy_raygun Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 *yawn* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Classic Rambo. abovetheearth and futures 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 40 minutes ago, Shitty Rambo said: In other words, I'd rather not discuss anything with you at all if you're going to be a dick about it. stl_ben, Bladewillisisdead, AlexH. and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Today on Upset White Folk (Cyber Crimes)... "He didn't wanna fuck with me because I was acting like a bitch and then didn't care about my assertion of his character because it's the internet and we don't know each other!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) This is some vintage Rambo shit right here. You love you some false attribution . It was initially any honest attempt at conversation, admittedly, with some sarcasm. It became more about how you complain about the lack of constructive conversations and then nope the fuck out of most attempts. As you continue to showcase here. If you don't want to engage, fine. That's cool, I never expected it anyway. When the going gets tough the Shitty Rambo rarely gets going. But then again, what do I know. I'm white or something I guess? I suppose it's irrelevant anyway, we are voting for the same candidate. Edited September 8, 2016 by BuzzersonKillwell fixed a thing. futures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 18 hours ago, daegor said: Not advocating for Socialism here, but the reality is that any government is that powerful how do you figure? the US government is one of the most powerful governments in the world. i'm dependent on them for next to nothing and there are plenty of things they can't take away from me. the only people whose livelihood they can control are those sucking on their teats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, WAXXX said: there are plenty of things they can't take away from me. keep thinking that buddy. unless you mean silly things like your soul, heart, determination.... Edited September 8, 2016 by abovetheearth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 28 minutes ago, abovetheearth said: keep thinking that buddy. unless you mean silly things like your soul, heart, determination.... well, they do take half my money, so there's that. however, to take everything they either have to convince all citizens to give them absolute trust or go full totalitarian. i'll admit it's increasingly disturbing at the rate people are willing to put their full trust in the government, but in reality we have a long way to go. half the population isn't as stupid as the other half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Shitty Rambo said: Today on Upset White Folk (Cyber Crimes)... "He didn't wanna fuck with me because I was acting like a bitch and then didn't care about my assertion of his character because it's the internet and we don't know each other!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 2016 - VC Thread of the Year: nominee WAXXX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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