AlexH. Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Wax, man, even you have to admit the emails are essentially a smoking gun in re: the Trump campaign's foreknowledge of Russia's desire to interfere with the election and their desire to play along. Manafort and Kushner are included on the emails that Jr. himself posted on Twitter: "Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting. The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin." "Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer." I'm sure /r/the_donald has its own spin, and I don't disagree that it may ultimately lead nowhere, but come on, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 hour ago, WAXXX said: battra right now: battra when nothing happens...again...as usual... rinse and repeat. It'll be interesting what the Right Wing does... But it went from: Russia Collusion? NO! Crazy liberals. Then it became FAKE NEWS! Now...it's WHO CARES THAT TRUMP COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA? Disgusting people. Also, I'm a Bernie supporter who voted Clinton because she's farther left than Trump, who colluded with our enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Battra said: Also, I'm a Bernie supporter who voted Clinton because she's farther left than Trump, who colluded with our enemy socialist. It's ok, just tell it how it is. In fairness, again, I'm not a fan of Trump of Hilary either one. Gary mf'in Johnson, baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 6 hours ago, AlexH. said: Wax, man, even you have to admit the emails are essentially a smoking gun in re: the Trump campaign's foreknowledge of Russia's desire to interfere with the election and their desire to play along. Manafort and Kushner are included on the emails that Jr. himself posted on Twitter: "Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting. The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin." "Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer." I'm sure /r/the_donald has its own spin, and I don't disagree that it may ultimately lead nowhere, but come on, man. come on what? anti-trumpers (democrats and republicans) funded and colluded with foreigners to produce dirt on trump that was released in an arguably fake dossier that publicly claimed trump paid russian hookers to piss on obama's hotel bed. this was all done in an attempt to sway the public and influence their decision in a presidential election. when this happened i laughed. now we have donald jr. (bless his heart) possibly attempting to collude with a foreigner to produce dirt on a political opponent and i'm supposed to be outraged? surely this is the smoking gun!? Tommy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 5 hours ago, Battra said: It'll be interesting what the Right Wing does... But it went from: Russia Collusion? NO! Crazy liberals. Then it became FAKE NEWS! Now...it's WHO CARES THAT TRUMP COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA? Disgusting people. Also, I'm a Bernie supporter who voted Clinton because she's farther left than Trump, who colluded with our enemy. nah bro. it went from months of obama, hillary, other politicians, and most of the media telling the american people that our election can't be rigged, hacked, or swayed. then it became obama, hillary, other politicians, and most of the media telling the american people that russia rigged, hacked, and swayed our election. now it's CNN employees on tape saying the russia story is shit and all we're left with is an email from donald jr. (bless his heart) possibly trying to get dirt on hillary from someone who just so happens to live in russia. the best part is trump actually called it when he said our election is rigged, but democrats lost their minds in a fit of autistic screeching at the time. but please keep up the resistance, there's still a chance drumpf will be impeached.... and bernie can still win... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadreckoning Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 19 minutes ago, WAXXX said: nah bro. it went from months of obama, hillary, other politicians, and most of the media telling the american people that our election can't be rigged, hacked, or swayed. then it became obama, hillary, other politicians, and most of the media telling the american people that russia rigged, hacked, and swayed our election. now it's CNN employees on tape saying the russia story is shit and all we're left with is an email from donald jr. (bless his heart) possibly trying to get dirt on hillary from someone who just so happens to live in russia. the best part is trump actually called it when he said our election is rigged, but democrats lost their minds in a fit of autistic screeching at the time. but please keep up the resistance, there's still a chance drumpf will be impeached.... and bernie can still win... I figured the Russia story was mostly political point scoring and democrats trying to force a wedge between Trump and the old school republican hawks. However, these recent revelations are the 1st accusations with real meat on the bone. If Jr. knew the possible damaging information was coming from a foreign government that's getting close to legal hot water, political naivete or not. That said, with a republican House and Senate and a base that seems to consider any criticism is fake news, Trump will have to be photographed giving Putin an over-the-pants-rubbie for anything to happen. He's not getting impeached and i don't think anyone seriously thinks so no matter how many times it brought up at democratic fundraisers. In general, Trump has done himself no favors with how he's handled this or any of his other issues. I don't think there has been any angry tweets regarding the recent story, but it's still early. The worst part of this is I bought a Pallbearer ticket and half an hour later my wife informed me that "we" will be on vacation with her friends that week. WAXXX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, deadreckoning said: The worst part of this is I bought a Pallbearer ticket and half an hour later my wife informed me that "we" will be on vacation with her friends that week. that's horrible news. i saw pallbearer with deafheaven many moons ago and they killed it. i was excited about the russia drama for awhile because it was lowering the rates on home loans and i'm buying a house. then along comes donald jr. tweeting his "hot russian collusion scoop" and rates jump .13% in a single day. bad news for me and the #resistance. if the news was actually damaging to trump, rates would have gone down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 19 hours ago, The Ghost of Randy Savage said: It's ok, just tell it how it is. In fairness, again, I'm not a fan of Trump of Hilary either one. Gary mf'in Johnson, baby! You have no idea what socialism is do you? I believe in a free market economy, not socialism, but as I'm not for Lasseiz Faire capitalism, folks like you refer to me as a socialst..haha. I've noticed the Americans who scream the loudest about it, don't have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 30 minutes ago, Battra said: You have no idea what socialism is do you? I believe in a free market economy, not socialism, but as I'm not for Lasseiz Faire capitalism, folks like you refer to me as a socialst..haha. I've noticed the Americans who scream the loudest about it, don't have a clue. Bernie has himself said that he supports a certain amount of socialism. It's so strange that you never seem to know what you're talking about, so you assume no one else does. Let's give everyone everything at the expense of those who have actually earned something! If you're a Bernie supporter, you at least lean toward socialist ideals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, The Ghost of Randy Savage said: Bernie has himself said that he supports a certain amount of socialism. It's so strange that you never seem to know what you're talking about, so you assume no one else does. Let's give everyone everything at the expense of those who have actually earned something! If you're a Bernie supporter, you at least lean toward socialist ideals. Again, you have no clue what socialism is. I'm not shocked. Socialism is an economic system based on a central planning agency where government controls the means of production and plans for demand. As for redistributive policies, good lord, you just parrot what you hear. There's no country in the world that does what you're speaking about and what you're referring to isn't socialism by any stretch of the imagination. Take an economics course. Open a book. I'm a Democratic Socialist. Which basically means, there are certain things that I believe there should be a fair amount of governmental regulation, governmental oversight, and that there are things whose access shouldn't be based on how much money one has, like roads, the fire department, the police, the military, etc, I think healthcare is something that makes us a better people. I also think that because of math, we, because we are stupid, spend the more dollars than we would if we switched to Canada's nationalized healthcare system...we already spend that now....switch it to single payer for all, start collecting taxes to cover it...and blammo... A healthy America. But we can't do that...because....well I don't know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewillisisdead Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) C'mon, Randy Savage is always one of the more intelligent posters. Although I fundamentally disagree with his take on socialism in the above post. I firmly believe society needs socialist elements. At the VERY LEAST healthcare/medicine should exist mostly outside capitalism. Boner pills? Yeah, buy that shit yourself. Cancer treatment, asthma medication, Epi-pens, etc etc? Everyone's taxes should cover that shit. Edit: looks like we posted at the same time Edited July 12, 2017 by Bladewillisisdead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Oh and I'm a Social Democrat, not a Democratic Socialist. Sorry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Bladewillisisdead said: C'mon, Randy Savage is always one of the more intelligent posters. Although I fundamentally disagree with his take on socialism in the above post. I firmly believe society needs socialist elements. At the VERY LEAST healthcare/medicine should exist mostly outside capitalism. Boner pills? Yeah, buy that shit yourself. Cancer treatment, asthma medication, Epi-pens, etc etc? Everyone's taxes should cover that shit. Edit: looks like we posted at the same time He's repeating right wing news. Ergo, he's repeating lies. He can either accept that and move on, but it's the internet, so he's going to double down. Bet ya $3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Battra said: Again, you have no clue what socialism is. I'm not shocked. Socialism is an economic system based on a central planning agency where government controls the means of production and plans for demand. As for redistributive policies, good lord, you just parrot what you hear. There's no country in the world that does what you're speaking about and what you're referring to isn't socialism by any stretch of the imagination. Take an economics course. Open a book. I'm a Democratic Socialist. Which basically means, there are certain things that I believe there should be a fair amount of governmental regulation, governmental oversight, and that there are things whose access shouldn't be based on how much money one has, like roads, the fire department, the police, the military, etc, I think healthcare is something that makes us a better people. I also think that because of math, we, because we are stupid, spend the more dollars than we would if we switched to Canada's nationalized healthcare system...we already spend that now....switch it to single payer for all, start collecting taxes to cover it...and blammo... A healthy America. But we can't do that...because....well I don't know why. Just look at the portions of what you just said that I've bolded and underlined/italicized. You contradict yourself and prove exactly what I was just saying. I'm not even going to bother with you anymore, dude. You're so far up your own ass it's ridiculous. WAXXX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battra Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, The Ghost of Randy Savage said: Just look at the portions of what you just said that I've bolded and underlined/italicized. You contradict yourself and prove exactly what I was just saying. I'm not even going to bother with you anymore, dude. You're so far up your own ass it's ridiculous. Every policy is redistributive to someone. Are you unaware of that? @bladewillisisdead You owe me $3. GORS has no idea what socialism is. Instead of copping to it, he dropped insults. But Randy, man, My comment on your parroting was based on your statement that socialist nations take from those who'll work and give to those who don't. Canadian unemployment right now...6.4%. Swedish unemployment right now...6.9%...so the vast, vast, vast majority of folks are working...and those who aren't are putting into the pot with their purchases,. You can't name a country that redistributes in the manner you references. Single player healthcare isn't socialism, but let's say that it is...so, there are a few things I think should be socialized. Of those things it's only one more than is socialized now. Now, when I said Democratic Socialist, I was wrong, as I'm a social democrat...the difference is small, but significant and they sound the same. Did you see that I corrected myself? NOPE! Because hey, like a child, you tossed insults. When one on the internet goes to insult, it's because they're beaten. Now please, do what you say and stop talking to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Battra said: When one on the internet goes to insult, it's because they're beaten. Now please, do what you say and stop talking to me. your arguments are unconvincing and you've beaten no one. savage was right. your head is so far up your own ass it's ridiculous. i mean that in the nicest way possible. TheGhostOfRandySavage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Bladewillisisdead said: C'mon, Randy Savage is always one of the more intelligent posters. Although I fundamentally disagree with his take on socialism in the above post. I firmly believe society needs socialist elements. At the VERY LEAST healthcare/medicine should exist mostly outside capitalism. Boner pills? Yeah, buy that shit yourself. Cancer treatment, asthma medication, Epi-pens, etc etc? Everyone's taxes should cover that shit. Edit: looks like we posted at the same time Thanks homie. I know you and I have had plenty of discussions on here where we've been on opposite sides, so it's rad of you to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkyburk Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I remember when this thread was mostly memes. WAXXX and Tommy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, burkyburk said: I remember when this thread was mostly memes. Edited July 13, 2017 by The Ghost of Randy Savage vinyl addict 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WAXXX Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 about time we got some quality memes in here! i remember seeing those donald jr ones all over twitter awhile back and they had me rolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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