dim Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I read somewhere that all the big money making bands formerly on lookout took back their masters (Green Day, OPIV, The Queers). Anyone know more about this? Anyone think those records will be worth anything in the future seeing as they will never carry the lookout label again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest conoley Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 When Green Day pulled their records for not getting paid, Lookout pretty much went out of business. They stopped putting out new albums and lost the majority of their staff. Avail, Screeching Weasel and the Riverdales also pulled their music. I think original presses are going to maintain high values (obviously) but I am not sure how limited represses are of these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faith Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I wonder if NOFX could do that with Mystic... Did those bands own the rights to their material or did Lookout did? I think Mystic owns the right of everything pre-1987 on NOFX that's why they keep repressing the same old shit to make some $$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share Posted July 5, 2007 Mystic probably isn't in breach of their contract with NOFX. Like Conoley said, a lot of the lookout bands probably weren't getting the money they deserved. Labels can own the right to the master for a long time (depending on the contract). This is how many of the smaller indie labels have been able to grow. When a band reaches huge success, re-releases of older records sell more as well. If Mystic knows what's good for them, they'll keep NOFX happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burntwolf Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 The Vindictives and Groovie Ghoulies also took back their catalog. There was a good article in the local leftie indie rag: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/2005-09-14/news/kerplunk/ "The list of defectors has grown over the years to include, among others, Screeching Weasel, Avail, Neurosis, Pansy Division, Enemy You, Blatz, Filth, the Criminals, and the Riverdales." Red Scare reissued the Panic Button Lillingtons albums. The Weasel releases on Panic Button are still on Panic Button though. I think the latest is Epitaph is doing the OpIvy in the fall. It was supposed to finally be reissued by Rancid Records in March. It's crazy they've left that OpIvy out of print for so long, they must really not need the money. That remastered Downfall album doesn't seem to be on track to ever hit the light of day. I don't know how 'rare' of any of those releases will be. There have to craploads of them out there in used bins across the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skumbucket Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 oh man, even blatz? weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burntwolf Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 my buddy who runs high fidelity records wrote to chris about re-releasing the blatz and filth but he never heard back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadetapplesauce Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 anyone who wants the Kerplunk LP, it might still be available on Cinder Block. i'm too lazy to post a link, but it should still be there. positive it's the last Lookout! press of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brennan Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Mystic probably isn't in breach of their contract with NOFX. Like Conoley said, a lot of the lookout bands probably weren't getting the money they deserved. Labels can own the right to the master for a long time (depending on the contract). This is how many of the smaller indie labels have been able to grow. When a band reaches huge success, re-releases of older records sell more as well.If Mystic knows what's good for them, they'll keep NOFX happy. NOFX isn't happy. it seems like they can do dick all about the pressings though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlovecolouredx Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 When Green Day pulled their records for not getting paid, Lookout pretty much went out of business. They stopped putting out new albums and lost the majority of their staff. Avail, Screeching Weasel and the Riverdales also pulled their music. it's pretty good if Lookout! will re-press the OPIV or Queers as coloured wax. but i'm not sure they will take any action after i ever heard they almost broke (or already broke ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadetapplesauce Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 they took other bands' royalty money to sign other bands that weren't that great and didn't sell well. at least that's what i read. so yeah they're pretty much neck deep in royalty debt. so i would say that they're pretty broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skumbucket Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 i believe that's the gist of it, more or less. they didn't pay the royalties owed bands, so in a sense they used it for themselves. frankly, that's all they had going for them. now we need small brown bike to pull their stuff, have it re-released on vinyl, and then everybody wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moraleclipse Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I think all of Small Brown Bike's albums are available on vinyl through No Idea Records except the Collection album which is out of stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I remember when I used to order from Lookout back in the day (pre-web). You'd send a stack of cash in an envelop and like eight months later a package would arrive. At least twice they sent me two of the same packages and told me to keep the extras that showed up, again pre-web so I gave the stuff away to my buddies. Anyone here have a favorite Lookout release? I'm biased toward Screeching Weasel, but aside from SW records, my favorite has always been J.D. Salinger by the Wynona Riders. I had to buy that three times on vinyl I played it so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted July 6, 2007 Author Share Posted July 6, 2007 I have that Wynona Riders album on cassette, can't remember if I liked it or not, some of my favorite lookout releases would have to be: Riverdales s/t OPIV "energy" Common Rider "am i on my own" 7" the Green Day releases Ted Leo releases The Queers "surf godess" 7" and Don't back Down records. Pinhead Gunpowder (I forget the name of the 7", it had "landlords" on it) But, my all time favorite record that they ever put out would have to be Mr. T Experience "revenge is sweet and so are you" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefwahoo Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Ted Leo - Hearts of Oak and Screeching Weasel - My Brain Hurts are the nearest and dearest to me. But those other two Ted Leo releases can't be ruled out. And I somehow forgot Avail - Over the James which might be the best of the bunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 My top three LK releases off the top of my head: Ted Leo/Pharamacists - The Tyranny Of Distance The Mr. T Experience - Revenge Is Sweet, And So Are You Green Day - Kerplunk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 All of the AVAIL releases on Lookout are top notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burntwolf Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I remember when I used to order from Lookout back in the day (pre-web). You'd send a stack of cash in an envelop and like eight months later a package would arrive. At least twice they sent me two of the same packages and told me to keep the extras that showed up, again pre-web so I gave the stuff away to my buddies.Anyone here have a favorite Lookout release? I'm biased toward Screeching Weasel, but aside from SW records, my favorite has always been J.D. Salinger by the Wynona Riders. I had to buy that three times on vinyl I played it so much. back before Green Day blew up, Lookout was hella fast (but I did live on the California central coast). There would be a week turnaround on mailorder. The Queers also pulled their catalog, btw...but went back to Lookout at one point. Favorite Lookout Releases (not in order): Green Day - Kerplunk Weasel - Anthem for a New Tomorrow OpIvy (obviously) Vindictives - Many Moods Avail - Over the James Punk USA comp Alkaline Trio Hell Yes 7" I won't count Panic Button (Death by Television, Major Label Debut, and Four on the Floor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skumbucket Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 tops: ~ green day "kerplunk" ~ ted leo "shake the sheets" ~ small brown bike "the river bed" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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