PO - Brand New - Science Fiction

[One Hundred Fifty-Two]

15 minutes ago, swb said:

I'm trying to be sincere here so I apologize in advance if I can't help but veer into snark. Asking whether perhaps the victims are more deserving of culpability/scrutiny or the perpetrator less deserving of culpability/scrutiny is not playing devil's advocate or providing a thoughtful perspective that has been overlooked. It is literally regurgitating how a majority of people have viewed abuse since the beginning of time.

Adding "I'm not blaming the victim but" or "I'm not taking away the severity of what he did but" before immediately proceeding to blame the victim or take away the severity of what the perpetrator did does not relieve yourself of the burden of bearing the negative reaction you know you'll receive.

I really can’t tell if this is supposed to be directed toward me since I haven’t prefaced any statements, haven’t attempted to place blame on victims, and am not presenting an argument that others have discussed. 

 

The vast majority of responses have been to end his career, Put him in jail, or have physical violence come to him rather than “I hope he gets the help he needs”

Edited November 15, 2017 by Tidal Wave

[julianisdead]

https://twitter.com/degvusser/status/930211774623711233

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/fightoffyourdemons/comments/7czu44/mods_of_rbrandnew_deleted_my_post_timeline_of/

 

Emily Driskill apparently dated Jesse after he forced himself on her. She said she kept in touch with Jesse until she was 23 (2009) but her own Flickr account has photos she took of the band in 2011. She also leaked nude video of Jesse in 2012 after they broke up. This is illegal and often considered a form of abuse. Why isn’t she being called out?

 

 

[Sidney Crosley]

5 minutes ago, julianisdead said:

https://twitter.com/degvusser/status/930211774623711233

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/fightoffyourdemons/comments/7czu44/mods_of_rbrandnew_deleted_my_post_timeline_of/

 

Emily Driskill apparently dated Jesse after he forced himself on her. She said she kept in touch with Jesse until she was 23 (2009) but her own Flickr account has photos she took of the band in 2011. She also leaked nude video of Jesse in 2012 after they broke up. This is illegal and often considered a form of abuse. Why isn’t she being called out?

 

 

In case anyone wonders why victims feel unsafe coming forward...

[Kanellos]

If anyone wants a good breakdown of everyone coming forward and the timeline of events to look at this:

Additional information in there as well.

 

 

[copelandkid]

7 minutes ago, julianisdead said:

https://twitter.com/degvusser/status/930211774623711233

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/fightoffyourdemons/comments/7czu44/mods_of_rbrandnew_deleted_my_post_timeline_of/

 

Emily Driskill apparently dated Jesse after he forced himself on her. She said she kept in touch with Jesse until she was 23 (2009) but her own Flickr account has photos she took of the band in 2011. She also leaked nude video of Jesse in 2012 after they broke up. This is illegal and often considered a form of abuse. Why isn’t she being called out?

 

 

fuckin whataboutism, how does it work?

[deafening]

11 minutes ago, Sidney Crosley said:

In case anyone wonders why victims feel unsafe coming forward...

Let's just blindly believe everything said on the internet. This scene is pretty well-known for being unreliable on both sides.

 

While this does seem like a witch pursuit thing, I'm not against anyone trying to figure out the truth.

 

[Sidney Crosley]

Just now, deafening said:

Let's just blindly believe everything said on the internet. This scene is pretty well-known for being unreliable on both sides.

 

While this does seem like a witch pursuit thing, I'm not against anyone trying to figure out the truth.

 

I'm not saying we need to believe everything on the internet, but imagine a few hundred redditors decided to dig up literally everything they could find on the internet about you without you really permitting it (and obviously anything set to public is just that, but not meant for the level of intense scrutiny I can only imagine).   At this point nobody is really talking about this as a criminal case. If it did, this would be evidence. There is no need for 'detectives' to do their worst to discredit the victims (because I'm sure many of them are doing what you described, figuring out the truth, but even if 2% simply made it their duty to find a way to destroy her, it likely wouldn't be that hard).

[One Hundred Fifty-Two]

7 minutes ago, Sidney Crosley said:

I'm not saying we need to believe everything on the internet, but imagine a few hundred redditors decided to dig up literally everything they could find on the internet about you without you really permitting it (and obviously anything set to public is just that, but not meant for the level of intense scrutiny I can only imagine).   At this point nobody is really talking about this as a criminal case. If it did, this would be evidence. There is no need for 'detectives' to do their worst to discredit the victims (because I'm sure many of them are doing what you described, figuring out the truth, but even if 2% simply made it their duty to find a way to destroy her, it likely wouldn't be that hard).

Jesse did not ask for his personal life to be dug up. 

[Sidney Crosley]

Just now, Tidal Wave said:

Jesse did not ask for his personal life to be dug up. 

If only the 15 year old girls kept quiet like he threatened them to do, then nobody would have dug up his personal life.

[Fowty Dollaz]

1 minute ago, Sidney Crosley said:

If only the 15 year old girls kept quiet like he threatened them to do, then nobody would have dug up his personal life.

"The Quiet Things That Even People Who Don't Even Know Brand New Now Know."

[One Hundred Fifty-Two]

4 minutes ago, Sidney Crosley said:

If only the 15 year old girls kept quiet like he threatened them to do, then nobody would have dug up his personal life.

Once again it’s okay to do something if it fits your narrative 

[Sidney Crosley]

Just now, Tidal Wave said:

Once again it’s okay to do something if it fits your narrative 

K.

[jrodan]

this thread is doing such a terrific job of letting me know who is a shitty person.

[deafening]

34 minutes ago, Sidney Crosley said:

I'm not saying we need to believe everything on the internet, but imagine a few hundred redditors decided to dig up literally everything they could find on the internet about you without you really permitting it (and obviously anything set to public is just that, but not meant for the level of intense scrutiny I can only imagine).   At this point nobody is really talking about this as a criminal case. If it did, this would be evidence. There is no need for 'detectives' to do their worst to discredit the victims (because I'm sure many of them are doing what you described, figuring out the truth, but even if 2% simply made it their duty to find a way to destroy her, it likely wouldn't be that hard).

I completely agree that this is intense and aggressive. 

 

Jesse has not confessed to the specific allegations and nothing has come to light proving them to be true yet. We're about as clear on this as we were the day she made her first comment on FB. I just support the truth, and do not think that attacking neither alleged accused or the alleged victim is constructive.

[tape]

1 hour ago, FiggyPud said:

Can you guys believe there was a time before now when you’d be in a Brand New thread and think “now I’ve seen it all.”

Honestly, 2017 as a whole has completed removed my ability to think "I've seen it all" ever again.

[DecayToDeath]

41 minutes ago, Fowty Dollaz said:

"The Quiet Things That Even People Who Don't Even Know Brand New Now Know."

[Dominic_]

4 minutes ago, DecayToDeath said:

Does this mean I should blame Pete Townshend? Because I already am and you can't change my mind. Thanks, now I have more bowls to make.

[DecayToDeath]

3 minutes ago, Rezqua said:

Does this mean I should blame Pete Townshend? Because I already am and you can't change my mind. Thanks, now I have more bowls to make.

Joke's on you, I made a Car Seat Headrest reference right under your nose and you didn't even notice muahahahaha

[Dashhax]

Any word on the Limited Edition Science Fiction vinyl? Should we still expect to receive it after Thanksgiving? 

[One Hundred Fifty-Two]

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/pete-townshend-addresses-child-pornography-scandal/

 

“for research”

[Dominic_]

3 minutes ago, DecayToDeath said:

Joke's on you, I made a Car Seat Headrest reference right under your nose and you didn't even notice muahahahaha

I only listen to good bands so oops :/

 

1 minute ago, Tidal Wave said:

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/pete-townshend-addresses-child-pornography-scandal/

 

“for research”

So what I am getting out of this is that I was 100% right and should keep building on my theory, right? 

[TheGhostOfRandySavage]

1 hour ago, deafening said:

Let's just blindly believe everything said on the internet. This scene is pretty well-known for being unreliable on both sides.

 

While this does seem like a witch pursuit thing, I'm not against anyone trying to figure out the truth.

 

What's up, witchesssss?

[john]

lol witch pursuit

 

If anyone wants to get rid of deja era 7"s I'll take them off your hands, you know by keeping them you are directly endorsing this behavior and are just as bad as the perpetrator

[Dominic_]

8 minutes ago, john said:

lol witch pursuit

 

If anyone wants to get rid of deja era 7"s I'll take them off your hands, you know by keeping them you are directly endorsing this behavior and are just as bad as the perpetrator SHOULDER ALL THE BLAAAAAAAAAAAAME

 

[helsabot]

4 hours ago, deafening said:

It is easy to see it from this perspective being someone that has likely not been put into this kind of situation, the point is to not look at it from your own personal experience and what YOU would probably do, and open up to the experience they may have had.

 

I agree ,that's why I'm not judging: I simply can't because like you wrote I've never been in a similar situation: none of us knows exactly what happened and how. 

What Lacey did IS WRONG and I want it to be clear. Nonetheless, I don't think we can consider the girls involved such as children who are offered a candy outside the school. 

Besides, let's also try to see the story from Lacey perspective: a young adult in his 20s you suddenly became famous and had hundreds of girls ready to do anything for him..He was young and stupid and probably didn't even realized he could have hurt someone.