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#1 OFFLINE   jhulud

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 03:09 PM

The original thread has been unstickied and locked due to unnecessary cross-contamination.

Use this new thread to seek advice on what turntables, amps, record-playing setup, etc. to get and is recommended by others.



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#2 OFFLINE   ScottHeisel

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  • LocationCleveland, OH

Posted 04 September 2010 - 03:30 PM

Why wouldn't you just, I don't know, change the title of the first thread back to its original title?
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#3 OFFLINE   jhulud

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 03:36 PM

^^ No admin option for title change.
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#4 OFFLINE   ScottHeisel

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  • LocationCleveland, OH

Posted 04 September 2010 - 07:10 PM

Well looks like the original thread's been deleted, thanks to Corbet being a douche. Time to get this thing started up again: What kind of turntables do y'all recommend for $/$$/$$$ price ranges?
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AVAILABLE NOW FROM YOUTH CONSPIRACY RECORDS:
Meridian Aging Truths LP—Max from Signals Midwest's softer, Weakerthans-influenced side
Ghost Thrower/Foreign Tongues split 7-inch—two new songs each from two of Boston's finest new bands
Weatherbox American Art 2xLP—the classic debut on vinyl for the very first time!
Sainthood Reps Monoculture LP—the debut album from these Long Island noisemakers
Heks Orkest Endless Scroll 7-inch—mbrs. of Engine Down, Sparta, Avail, Denali & more making an unholy racket           12/18 NEVER FORGET


#5 OFFLINE   THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR

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  • LocationPARTS UNKNOWN

Posted 04 September 2010 - 07:12 PM

The Ion USB turntable is the best table in the world! :P
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#6 OFFLINE   Deraj

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  • LocationSan Antonio, Tx

Posted 04 September 2010 - 09:13 PM

I'm in need of a new turntable.
I hear mixed things about the pro-ject models.
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#7 OFFLINE   bigmanandy

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  • LocationNorth Syracuse, NY

Posted 04 September 2010 - 10:46 PM

TECHNICS SL-1200!!!

The answer to all turntable related questions!!
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#8 OFFLINE   Marc

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  • Locationnew jersey

Posted 04 September 2010 - 11:15 PM

I know the old turntables used to turn the record over for you or some could hold a 2xlp and play it through. Do any companies still make players that can do either if these?
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#9 OFFLINE   circlingvultures

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  • LocationBuffalo, NY

Posted 04 September 2010 - 11:17 PM

I have a Rega P1 and love it. I will certainly be upgrading to a nicer model when money allows. For the price I think it's a great option.
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#10 OFFLINE   corbet

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  • LocationToledo Ohio

Posted 05 September 2010 - 12:12 AM


Well looks like the original thread's been deleted, thanks to Corbet being a douche. Time to get this thing started up again: What kind of turntables do y'all recommend for $/$$/$$$ price ranges?


Next time I see you at a Cleveland show I'll make sure to buy you a beer.
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#11 OFFLINE   thrillho

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  • LocationMICH

Posted 05 September 2010 - 04:47 PM

Since this is page one of the new turntable thread, i figure we should pool as much info as we can on to page one.

i'll start with my recommendations.

1. your vinyl collection means the world to you, so treat it right with a quality system to listen to it on. this doesn't mean your old Technics DJ table is bad (well not TOTALLY bad), just that if you are serious about your hobby, you should try to save up for some better components.

2. the #1 question people will have is "what table should i buy?" which is why they clicked here in the first place. These are, for the most part, the top 2 recommended tables:

Rega P1
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Price: 375 - 400

Pro-Ject Debut III
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Price: 375 - 400

Do your research when it comes to a new table. There are differences between these two, so you should find the one that suits you best.

Needles and cartridges are a very in depth product. Many Starter tables will come with a cartridge already installed, but if you want to upgrade I'd say check out www.needledoctor.com. This site is one of, if not the best to browse audiophile equipment and the prices are generally fair and a good gauge of how much other places might charge.

3. Another question we see a lot is "i plugged everything in, but the sound is low, crackling, and almost inaudible."
this means your receiver doesn't have a phono pre-amp. Some people see the AUX setting and assume it's good for vinyl. Incorrect! unless the receiver says phono input, and has a phono setting, you will need to purchase a pre-amp (or new receiver) to get the most of from your turntable. and to make the sound come out right.


that's all that comes to mind now, other guys feel free to post info you feel needs to be on page one. maybe we can get the bulk of questions answered before people have to click past page 3.

chad says good luck!
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#12 OFFLINE   bigmanandy

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  • LocationNorth Syracuse, NY

Posted 05 September 2010 - 09:16 PM

Also make sure the cartridge is properly aligned. Use of these protractors can make a world of difference.
http://www.vinylengi...otractors.shtml

Belt drive is no better or worse than direct drive, it's all personal preference. Also make sure the platter on the turn table is level on a handful of check points. Also never a good thing to run your stylus at more or less than the required tracking force, there are many scales out there to pick from. I got a nice little digital scale on eBay that makes that a much less stressful project.

My personal favorite combination is the Technics SL-1200, sure its known as a DJ table, but when this table was designed in 1979 it was made with only one thing in mind, high end home audio. DJ's took use of it since its ROCK solid speed and stability, very low Wow and Flutter and almost non existent rumble. Plus the removable headshell makes installing and switching carts a breeze. Not to mention this table is a TANK, weighing in at a solid 25 pounds of metal and rubber, which also helps it isolate vibrations from outside sources. Plus its nice to be able to switch from 33 to 45rpm at the push if a button. I've gone through way to many tables since I've gotten into vinyl and this is by far the best I've used, no cheap plastic on this one. I'm not sure what this goes for these days, but I bought mine brand new in 2009 for $399.

For cart/stylus I would have to say my personal favorite is the Audio Technica AT-440Mla. It's a wonderful stylus at tracking ability and the elimination of surface noise, and as well as the cut back in inner groove distortion. Right now its available for under $150 at a handful of online retailers, and is a steal at that price point. But there are countless options out there for those, but that's just the favorite one I've yet to use.

I'm not even going to touch pre-amps, all I will say is I love the Cambridge Audio 640p.
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#13 OFFLINE   mayt

mayt

Posted 06 September 2010 - 03:14 AM

Alright, I'm ready to get yelled at, but honestly, I can't afford even $200 bucks on a turntable, I really just don't have a lot money to spend. Does anyone have a starter deck they can recommend before I buy an Ion? I'm not looking to entertain a big party or anything fancy I just want to listen to my records
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#14 OFFLINE   thrillho

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  • LocationMICH

Posted 06 September 2010 - 10:52 AM

HOW DARE YOU NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A 400 DOLLAR TURNTABLE! YOU'RE A DISGRACE TO VINYL COLLECTING!

okay now that the yelling is out of the way...

if you just want to listen to your records, buy whatever you want. Salvation Army stores, thrift stores, used electronic stores all have cheap turntables that you can use with little to no problem. But be aware that an inferior/older cartridge can hurt your records over time! Sometimes they are an all in one unit. This is great for newbies, and what I used when i first started getting into collecting. It's got the table, receiver, amp, output and usually a tape deck or cd player all in the same unit. you can get these for under 100 bucks usually. but beware, make sure you TEST the product before you buy it. take a 7" and a 12" to the store and ask to test it. this way you can tell if you have a bad needle, bad wiring, bad sound, bad alignment, bad whatever.

if you're looking to spend a little more, and already have a phono receiver you can swing over to best buy, or any big electronics website and search for turntables. You can find a new Sony, JVC, ION (which ION are you looking to buy/saving for?) for about 100 bucks, but they're very base models. GuitarCenter.com also has a bunch, but you might have to wade through a lot of strictly DJ tables.

hope this helps! let us know how it goes.
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#15 OFFLINE   bigmanandy

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  • LocationNorth Syracuse, NY

Posted 06 September 2010 - 01:35 PM

Thrift stores can definitely have some sweet tables. I've seen Realistic LAB-400's for like 12 bucks, which are great tables that were built in the 70's. Old Pioneers are pretty abundant too.

I just hate to recommend new cheap tables, I've been down that road and they are just terrible, and a waste of time and money.
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#16 ONLINE   Batman

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  • LocationTexas

Posted 06 September 2010 - 05:31 PM

I have a Sony turntable ($90 when I bought it) and it's been treating me well for about a year and a half now. I'll probably upgrade to the Rega P1 at the end of the year and move that one upstairs.
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#17 OFFLINE   liebemintz

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:38 PM


The P1 was the top recommendation in the first version of this thread. So I would venture to say its a pretty safe choice. At least I hope it is; mine just came in today.
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#18 OFFLINE   mysundown

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 11:20 PM

The Pro-Ject Debut III is incredible.
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#19 OFFLINE   BillyB

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 08:06 AM

alrighty I have about a thousand dollars (max) I can spend on my first new vinyl system. I have been looking at the Rega P1 and Pro-Ject for my turntable but have no idea what kind of pre amp, receiver and speaker system to get, any recommendations? (keep in mind I am building this from the ground up, I need everything) This will be used in my room so for me sound quality>>>overall power. Thanks!
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#20 OFFLINE   slinch

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  • LocationSlovenia

Posted 10 September 2010 - 12:25 PM


alrighty I have about a thousand dollars (max) I can spend on my first new vinyl system. I have been looking at the Rega P1 and Pro-Ject for my turntable but have no idea what kind of pre amp, receiver and speaker system to get, any recommendations? (keep in mind I am building this from the ground up, I need everything) This will be used in my room so for me sound quality>>>overall power. Thanks!


If you're building from the ground up there's no reason to go for a separate phono pre-amp, and also no reason for buying a receiver or a speaker system. What you need is a decent stereo amp with a phono input and a pair of bookshelf/standmount speakers. Also, if you just want to listen to records from time to time and do most of your listening through a computer/laptop/CD player, and if you want the best sound quality for your buck, I'd suggest you skip on buying a record player (at least for now).

If listening to records is a priority, try getting a used turntable. A new one will burn up almost half of your budget, which then doesn't leave much for everything else you need. Unless you don't mind owning vintage stuff.

If you decide to go for a new turntable, then that leaves around $600 for amp+speakers. In that case I'd set aside $400 for speakers and $200 for a vintage amp.

Some of the speakers you should keep an eye out:
Epos ELS 8 (if you can get them cheap enough)
Klipsch RB51
Wharfedale Diamond 10.1
Monitor Audio BX2
DALI Lektor 2

Also, if you're willing to buy them used, there's lots more to find. Try here:
http://buy.audiogon....fsb.pl?spkrmoni

And if you can find them for under $450 used, I'd strongly recommend Dali Ikon 1. If I were looking for a pair of bookshelfs, this would be it.

I also found a pretty sweet deal on some floorstanders:
Jamo C 405 ($800/pair, now on amazon for $300/pair) I don't know what the size of your room is, but if it's over 15 square meters these should do you good.

As for the amp, for $200 you can find a really god vintage model by Marantz, Pioneer, Yamaha, Sansui, Luxman, Onkyo, Rotel... My amp of choice would be Marantz 1090. This one shouldn't cost you more than $130, so that leaves enough for some speaker stands and various cables.
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