dantheriver Posted April 1, 2017 Author Share Posted April 1, 2017 I just kind of assumed nothing was going down this year so I hadn't even checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy. Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I assume with everything going on regarding them getting kicked from the band and a bunch of bands dropping from the label they won't be doing too much now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copelandkid Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 33 minutes ago, andy. said: I assume with everything going on regarding them getting kicked from the band and a bunch of bands dropping from the label they won't be doing too much now. wait, what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deer Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 47 minutes ago, copelandkid said: wait, what? nicole (d. shanholtzer) was kicked out of the band late last year for unknown private reasons, as well as multiple bands (TWIABP, For Everest, Skull Kid) quietly dissociating themselves with BWM, but no public statement nor reasoning for all this has been publicised/released yet. it's all very hazy and i like her a lot so i'm very concerned over what happened. i know her mental condition is poor and she's been in and out of hospital recently just nothing discerning has come to light. the bands whom disconnected from BWM didn't say why and there's really no way to know what happened yet. either way it's pretty certain now that BWM isn't associated with TWIABP anymore, at the very least. BWM is still running, albeit slowly. andy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy. Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 34 minutes ago, deer said: nicole (d. shanholtzer) was kicked out of the band late last year for unknown private reasons, as well as multiple bands (TWIABP, For Everest, Skull Kid) quietly dissociating themselves with BWM, but no public statement nor reasoning for all this has been publicised/released yet. it's all very hazy and i like her a lot so i'm very concerned over what happened. i know her mental condition is poor and she's been in and out of hospital recently just nothing discerning has come to light. the bands whom disconnected from BWM didn't say why and there's really no way to know what happened yet. either way it's pretty certain now that BWM isn't associated with TWIABP anymore, at the very least. BWM is still running, albeit slowly. A STATEMENT FROM KATIE DVORAK and THE WORLD IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE & I AM NO LONGER AFRAID TO DIE: In light of all of the recent call-outs that have been made against abusers in the music community, there has been a resurgence of people wanting to know what happened with our ex guitarist, who we kicked out last year. I have been trying to avoid making a public statement not for her sake, but for my own. My life isn't anyone else's business if I don't want it to be, and absolutely no one is entitled to details about my personal life that I don't want to give out. I understand that people want to know why they should avoid any one person, or that people are just straight up curious, but I refuse to put myself in a position that I don't want to be in just to satiate the wants of strangers. - Katie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deer Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Spoiler yeah, I definitely heard that statement from Katie, but it doesn't really explain what is causing all the other bands to split from BWM. i get that's the point, to tell people she doesn't want to explain it. i can understand her wanting to distance herself from her ex and from that drama. but it feels really shitty to see nicole's label getting flak and it makes me question if i'm in the wrong for supporting her still. if there's a reason for other people/bands to dissociate from bwm, it feels like at least that much of it could be explained, i guess, especially since plenty of other bands are still on (or attempting to maintain) relations with bwm/nicole. i'm hoping it's just an intrapersonal thing and not anything to be worried about. but nicole's label has been really rough lately, what with skull kid pulling the press and with the TIOMT assault info coming about right after a second press was teased (that's a lot of money spent with no easy way to make back). i guess i'm just worried. hoping that i'm not in the wrong for supporting her/her label. it's impossible to know. ('vent' in spoiler tags in case it's just too irrelevant or too many words) batman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheriver Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 Recently after waiting 5 months and 3 weeks for a couple records I finally got a shipping notice. Of course the shipment was addressed to someone who is not me. I tried emailing them but got no reply, my 6 month PayPal protection window was closing so I had to open a claim. I felt pretty shitty about it but I'm pretty certain I would have never seen that order. Hopefully the label rebounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy. Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 From what I was told, Nicole was very abusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deer Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, andy. said: From what I was told, Nicole was very abusive. i did fear those words. and i will take a step back from the label and from her, until/unless some statement is said. it sucks to hear that someone you trusted was (or is suspected to be) abusive, so i will listen to those who say as much. considering the gravity of the situation, it's not out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Yeah but is it intentional physical / mental abuse or not? I can understand her being affected by D.'s mental state and transition too. If they aren't willing to say then I don't feel bad supporting either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowty Dollaz Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Honestly, I'm completely unaware of the situation at hand aside from Nicole's posts on Facebook during the breakup. However, I've been through awful shit and never abused anyone (I don't think). I have been mentally abused and assaulted by an ex who (mostly) had no idea how awful she was. I'm not taking sides. I'll support TWIABP until I can't and the same goes for any other band or label. I don't NOT listen to the Beatles because so-and-so may have beaten women. I still like MJ. Etc. ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCDELTAT Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 15 hours ago, deer said: Reveal hidden contents yeah, I definitely heard that statement from Katie, but it doesn't really explain what is causing all the other bands to split from BWM. i get that's the point, to tell people she doesn't want to explain it. i can understand her wanting to distance herself from her ex and from that drama. but it feels really shitty to see nicole's label getting flak and it makes me question if i'm in the wrong for supporting her still. if there's a reason for other people/bands to dissociate from bwm, it feels like at least that much of it could be explained, i guess, especially since plenty of other bands are still on (or attempting to maintain) relations with bwm/nicole. i'm hoping it's just an intrapersonal thing and not anything to be worried about. but nicole's label has been really rough lately, what with skull kid pulling the press and with the TIOMT assault info coming about right after a second press was teased (that's a lot of money spent with no easy way to make back). i guess i'm just worried. hoping that i'm not in the wrong for supporting her/her label. it's impossible to know. ('vent' in spoiler tags in case it's just too irrelevant or too many words) Wait what happened with TIOMT? I just saw that the repress isn't on the BWM store right now. Honestly one of my favorite bands right now, Anthony's solo stuff as well. Hope it doesn't affect new material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattallurgist Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 15 hours ago, MCDELTAT said: Wait what happened with TIOMT? I just saw that the repress isn't on the BWM store right now. Honestly one of my favorite bands right now, Anthony's solo stuff as well. Hope it doesn't affect new material. If you head over to TIOMT's Facebook (can't copy and paste it, thanks work filters) you can read about the whole thing. Sounds like they may possibly be done for a while... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlr Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 To add to the drama, looks like broken worlds twitter is gone and Molly Drag posted this yesterday on facebook: Back in October I finished recording my latest album "Whatever Reason" - at this time, I was promised 300 copies of it on vinyl to be released as a bundle with t-shirts that I over 10 artists/friends of mine were kind enough and worked for free to draw up. I was assured by Broken World Media that the vinyl and the t-shirts were paid for, aside from that I was promised that college radio, and all press related issues would be handled by BWM, none of that ended up happening - I myself handled all the public related emails, etc... Come December, and almost barely any word from BWM I was starting to wonder why nothing was being done to support my album. Not too mention I was hearing a couple of things from others to deter me from continuing, but I was already under the impression that the gears were moving, and that these physicals were paid for and the album would be released by January (which most of you know now is not the case), and being who I am gave BWM the benefit of the doubt here. I will admit I did for too long, and I feel terrible about it and very upset at myself at this time... not to mention I have received no royalties for my 2nd record (the first BWM released for me, "Tethered Rendering"). Come March and my album already being done for 5 months I decided just to release it myself, which I did.. but I could off pitched it to other labels or actually could of had a gameplan in my own right, which is another regret towards myself that I have.... I no longer have any association with Broken World Media (BWM), and will work to get royalties for distribution on my second record to someday come to me, the writer, and purchaser of the masters of said album... And I ask that you please do not purchase my music off the BWM bandcamp or any other sites they have posted it on for sale. As for whoever pre-ordered vinyl that doesn't exist (15 people) - I have been told that you will be refunded in full, and if you are not in the next coming months please contact me ([email protected]) anyway that works for you, I apologize on their behalf.... I am willing to re-release my new record on another label if you, or anyone you know might be able to help me out, and I am almost finished recording a new EP.... I feel used, and that I wasted so much time. I will try to move forward, Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) bummer molly drag and fog lake both got screwed Edited May 22, 2017 by parkinglot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewillisisdead Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Sounds like D tried to keep BWM afloat without the steady TWIABP income and couldn't. Sucks for the bands. Sucks that it was handled this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCDELTAT Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Bladewillisisdead said: Sounds like D tried to keep BWM afloat without the steady TWIABP income and couldn't. Sucks for the bands. Sucks that it was handled this way. Kinda/probably true. Honestly there were few bands I was interested in on the label. Bought all TWIABP stuff, TIOMT, Posture and Grizzly, and Deer Leap. And when that last Deer Leap album took almost 8 months to get to me, I was definitely going to wait on other orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erthan Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Bummed at how hard this label crashed. Never ended up getting my copies of Formlessness Redux from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NapalmBrain Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, erthan said: Bummed at how hard this label crashed. Never ended up getting my copies of Formlessness Redux from them. sorry to hear, id chargeback if its not too late the band still has that and kexp for sale last i checked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Nicole just posted this, with the heading "re: call out culture, abuse, trans issues, people being terrible, etc" https://thenewinquiry.com/hot-allostatic-load/ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samdroid Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I've had trouble listening to this band for the past couple of months since all of this stuff started leaking out. Not in the "ew they're problematic" way, I just don't have the emotional fortitude to try and listen "around" the issues, if that makes sense. It's never been easy for me to separate the artist from the art, but I don't begrudge anyone who can. TWIABP were my favorite band for years. I felt some degree of closeness with their music that I don't often feel. The notion that one or more of them, people I respected and trusted, could have been consistently abusive is deeply upsetting. That probably sounds weird given that we don't know what happened, but something did happen, and now we're in the dark. Maybe that's worse? I dunno, keep vinyl-ing as usual. I wasn't sure where else to post this. Shit sucks. poweredbytrust and rogeoa8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) Looks like Nicole deleted her Facebook. A day or two ago she posted about how a group (assuming TWIABP) of people have been using their social capital for a year to ruin their life or something along those lines. It got pretty dark and she said something along the lines of them not being happy until she is dead, and not being able to go out in public. Hope she is okay. Edited June 8, 2017 by parkinglot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowty Dollaz Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 52 minutes ago, parkinglot said: Looks like Nicole deleted her Facebook. A day or two ago she posted about how a group (assuming TWIABP) of people have been using their social capital for a year to ruin their life or something along those lines. It got pretty dark and she said something along the lines of them not being happy until she is dead, and not being able to go out in public. Hope she is okay. Still on IG, seems fine. Saw tool, so that's rad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 this is getting extremely ugly on social media... i hope all involved find peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 This is what I figured was going on in the first place. Calling someone an abuser without being specific is purposefully making it seem much worse than it is. ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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