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  1. Not much of an update, but it's the only thing we've heard for a while... I've Just seen that Wade did a short Twitter Q&A tonight, in which someone asked what was happening with this box set. He told them that it's in production at the moment and Dine Alone should be making an announcement soon. Really hope it includes the final shows DVD.
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  2. I love that Tre is just straight up fucking with everyone now. Keep up the great work, sir.
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  3. This picture sums up what I think warped tour will be like:
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  4. *This will eventually be merged into the Vinyl Collective Best Practices Policy... Thread* Lately I have noticed a running trend with potential scam reports, it seems like more often buyers are sending their payments as gifts instead of product payments. I strongly urge you all to NOT send your payments as gifts when buying records from another user. This essentially is you giving up any chance of ever getting your money returned should you be dealing with a scammer. The seller fee is not necessarily expensive. It usually won't be more than a couple dollars. Let's say you purchase records from a user for $30 PPD, an additional $1.17 will cover the $.30 + 2.9% seller fee and give you 40 days to file a claim if you do not receive your records. Sellers, if you want to keep your funds at the decided price simply add $.30 and an additional 2.9% to the total (https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees), inform your buyers that this additional price is there to protect both parties in the event that something goes South. Keep tracking information in case someone tries to open a case against you claiming they did not receive their records. You are all free to send your money as a gift if you trust your seller, just please keep this in mind. A little can go a long way. Be safe out there friends!
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  5. they make beer commercials like this or highly refined pirates
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  6. Too late. HULK SMASH!!!
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  7. If that was a real game id buy it with the quickness.
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  8. mss614

    Pet Symmetry live?

    A picture of the merch via Evan's instagram. SO MUCH STUFF I WANT. FUCK.
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  9. Screw DVD, I want a BluRay... or a HD digital download purchase.
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  10. I think I got the last test press. I was at the screen w/ all the lists of pledge options and it was highlighted but said "all gone" but still had me pledging $150 for it and receipt tell me "You've pledged $150 for "Signed Vinyl Test Pressing of Acoustics II". I better be alright. Damnit.
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  11. damn 40 bucks... pull the trigger or no?
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  12. That A/B looks phenomenal with the center label. And against those white sleeves, all I can think about are smores. Digging it.
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  13. can I have my own segment called Hipster KVLT?
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  14. Funny bump, Lexi. So recently found two things I was semi-craving. One was a first US pressing of The Zombies second album Odessy and Oracle. The other was this: It's Coleman's second proper album. It's very conventional jazz with only moments of free 'interpretation' that he would later become known for. It was $25 and a first pressing deep grove mono copy and I haven't seen any sell for less online. It looked really clean but plays VG+ so I'm pretty pumped.
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  15. Good sounding song and really enjoying that album artwork. For those that didn't click the link to the clip above yet, here it is:
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  16. Fingers crossed for a Broken Circles release
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  17. I would sell you a copy if I had one!
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  18. As a seller, I always think about all associated fees when coming up with a price. If it's PPD with someone on the board, then I'm thinking about that PayPal fee (as well as shipping, packaging, etc) before accepting the price. It includes the fee, basically. If it's Discogs or eBay or something, I work the associated fees into the amount I charge for shipping. It doesn't matter how well regarded a user or seller is, shit happens. I order a of shit from Brent at Broken Circles, and have had two packages disappear while crossing the boarder. Brent is the awesomest dude ever, but it's the MAIL I don't trust As a seller, I WANT the buyer to transact correctly and not use 'Gift'. I've never had a dispute where I've gotten screwed, I line my ducks up. Worst case scenario (which has happened a few times to me), mail disappears, claim is opened, PayPal refunds the buyer, I provide enough proof that I actually DID mail it and I'm in the clear. One particular instance really sucked because it was for a super-rare CD which just vanished (or the buyer was jerking my chain), if I didn't have the correct documentation I would have been out $250+.
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  19. Universal had neither the masters nor artwork for the Bosstones record, oddly Hollywood had the masters for both records... all the digital files from Fairey's art for Battle Hymns.... and literally the punx style cut and paste art for D by D, which was actually on art boards... we're cleaning them up a bit, as the glue as stained and discolored over the years
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  21. I have no problem gifting to established sellers. but would never gift anything over like $40 to anyone.
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  22. already got rid of it in a PM, but thanks. I'm sure your music taste is better than mine
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  23. Guest

    PO: Touché Amore - 7" Box Set 2012-2013

    First world, skinny white people with nothing better to worry about problems. i love this band, but "for the cause?" Press more copies and sell the things like a regular functioning human being and avoid having to fight with people on eBay.
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  24. These should all be mailed out by end of day today (unless you have a TWIABP record in your order).
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  25. Chicago Biebhawks
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  26. SeeMoreGlass

    Pet Symmetry live?

    Pussy!....you missed a good show.... This show was great, hopefully I can go see them again in Columbus with Empire Empire on the 22nd....
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  27. the nerve of those people....they are so not fetch.
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  28. Holy crap, I got scammed by beardxcore it seems as well. He sent me a tracking confirmation number that I couldn't access on June 26th for 3 records. I assumed it was because of the new tracking system with media mail records. The receipts will have a tracking number on them that can be accessed by the post office, but not by individuals. I contacted him about it, and he even got back to me, and said just wait a week or two, it should be there. Before I sent any money, I even had him take pictures of the records, and send them to my email, I emailed his personal email and paypal email today. If I don't get these records or my money back, I'm going to be furious. To those that have been screwed, what is the best way to get it figured out?
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  29. True facts. Hopefully it'll show up sometime this week. That's be awesome. And the splatter is awesome! I'm loving it.
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  30. Recently re-watched Return Of The Living Dead for the first time in like 10 years. The energy, the fun and the gore of mid '80s splatter horrors (Evil Dead, Re-Animator, ROTLD...) just can't be stopped.
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  31. PM me. Just did one today for stl_ben.
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  32. I'm hanging out with my family at my aunt and uncle's house in Boston. Never been to the east coast before and it's pretty neat so far.
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  33. It's a 7" cover. I've got a few hundred in my own personal collection that are made of paper, not card stock. Some people!
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  34. IanRees

    Dexter season 8

    I think they've pretty well established Miami Metro isn't the best run PD in the world. Dexter has always had free reign to tamper/remove evidence and search the database for whoever he wants without his computer being monitored.
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  35. i will... most certainly... and im a huge NFG fan.
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  36. bump, i will update the list of what has sold soon and make a new thread this week. still LOTS of stuff available, send me a PM
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  37. Downright silly INDEED. I just want it to end already... And I swear to all that is holy and all that isn't holy for that matter that if Dr. Vogel ends up being the killer and was just toying with Dexter at the beginning of this season I'm going to lose it.
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  38. If you don't have one by August 14th drop me a message. Isn't for quite a while, but that's when they swing through my neck a the woods.
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  40. I really don't understand all the hate for the "secular" lyrics. These lyrics are in no way my favorite by them, but I don't think they deserve to be criticized the way they are by their Christian fan base. I mean if they want to right a fun album that's not Christian based, then they should be able to do just that. I don't remember them ever saying "This album's gonna be about Jesus and how much we love him". I think Matt can write much better songs by himself, but I don't think that all of these songs are just terrible. I really enjoyed Boomerang, If I Could Take You Home, PTL, and Disaster. On the other hand, I think Can't Complain is one of (if not THE) worst songs they've ever recorded. All I really hope for for the next record is that Matt writes the songs by himself and not with ten thousand co-writers.
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  41. Yes, you people are worse than murderers, tax evaders, child molesters, child prostituters, pimps, vandals, poachers, ebezzlers, guys running ponzi schemes, con artists, rapists, kitten killers, hit and runners, gang bangers, arsonists, drug dealers, child abusers, wife abusers, the lady that runs Amy's Bakery, terrorists, the pro-life movement, pirates, Guantanimo, litterers, my ex-girlfriend who never gave back my In Loving Memory... hoodie, animal abusers, Justin Bieber's pants, Darth Vader, guys who wear tight shirts and get bottle service at clubs, thieves, Idi Amin, Hitler, Stalin, drone attacks, gay bashers, and Coldplay. You are worse than all of those and there is a special place in hell for you.
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  42. Do you want to get my records ???
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  43. I cant confirm nor deny this happened
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  44. Cassettes Artist Release Pressing/Condition Label Genre Sell Price 1984 George Orwell 1st cs only EMI Spoken $0.5 69 Boyz 199Quad Rap $3 AC/DC Who Made Who Atlantic $2 AC/DC Blow Up Your Video Atlantic Rock $2 Acid Reflux Punk $5 Aerosmith Crying single Geffen Rock $0.5 Aerosmith Big Ones Geffen Rock $1 Aha Hunting High And Low New Wave $2 Anal Cunt 40 More Reasons To Hate Us Earache $5 ANS Romancing The Pool Thrash $5 Antishism Demo Punk $5 Bachman Turner Overdrive BTO Compleat Records $1 Belly King Sire Alt $2 Bim Skala Bim Bones $1 Bim Skala Bim Eyes & Ears Bib $1 Bim Skala Bim How's It Goin'? Bib $1 Bim Skala Bim Live At The Paradise Bib $1 Bjork Debut Elektra $3 Blawknox Self Service Island Hank Records $1 Blue Oyster Cult Some Enchanted Evening $1 Bob Dylan John Wesley Harding Columbia $3 Bob Dylan Hits Vol II $3 Bob Dylan Hard Rain $3 Bob Dylan New Morning $3 Bob Marley Vol 1 Soul Rebel Reggae $2 Bob Marley Kaya $4 Bob Marley Natty Dread $3 Bob Marley Reggae Music $3 Bob Marley Dancing Shoes $3 Bob Seger Live Bullet Capitol $1 Born Without Bones Say Hello $5 Buckcherry Buckcherry buttrock $1 Butt Trumpet Primitive Enema Chrysalis Ska $2 Cherry Poppin Daddies Zoot Suit Riot Ska $2 Chicago Chicago 17 Warner Bros $1 Chicago Chicago 18 Warner Bros $1 Christian Death The Rage of Angela Cleopatra Goth $4 Chroezjoe weird metal looking tape ehrgeizig live 2009 Metal? $4 COKE BUST/DEVOUR/STRIPMINES/SICSENSATION - 4 way split cs $5 Collision Four Songs with James singing CS /100 Willow Tree Pop punk/melodic hardcore $2 Counting Crows August and Everything after Geffen Rock $1 Crackerbox Plug It The Fuck In Punk $5 CSNY Daylight Again Atlantic Rock $2 Daisy Chainsaw Eleventeen A&M $1 Dance Craze Ska COmp 2Tone $1 David Bowie Tonight EMI $2 David Bowie Never Let Me Down 2x EMI $2 David Byrne True Stores $2 David Lee Roth A Little Ain't Enough WB Rock $2 David Lee Roth Crazy From The Heart Warner Bros $2 Deadline Poet Demo SR Acapella $1 Dee-Lite World Clique Elektra $1 Deep Blue Something Home Interscope Rock $1 Depeche Mode Violator Sire $4 Dio Holy Diver Warner Bros $2 Direct Effect Live At North Ave $4 Elvis Costello The Best of Elvis Costello & The Attractions Columbia $2 Elvis Costello Punch The Clock $2 Elvis Costello My Aim Is True Columbia $2 Elvis Costello Goodbye Cruel World $2 Elvis Costello Spike $2 Elvis Costello Mighty Like A Rose $2 English Beat What Is Beat? I.R.S. $4 Eric Clapton Unplugged Reprise $1 estates Demo /100 Willow Tree Indie/emo $2 Every Generation Demo 1 $5 Faith No More Introduce Yourself Slash Rock $3 Fishbone Chim Chim's Badass Revenge Rawdy Records $3 Flaccid Demo Punk $3 Frank Sinatra Trilogy: The Past $1 Frank Zappa Joes Garage only cassette 2 $2 Giant Haystakcs FCC Violations Punk $5 Give Singles CS /150 Willow Tree Hardcore $4 Godstar Sleeper Taang! Records $1 Green Day Dookie Reprise $3 Guns N Roses Use Your Illusion 2 Geffen Rock $3 Guns N Roses Appetite For Destruction Warner Bros $3 Guns N Roses Since I Dont Have You Geffen Rock $1 Guns N Roses Don't Cry CS Geffen $0.5 Half Hearted Hero Running Water John $5 High Ceiling Houseplant Records Indie $5 Helmet Meantime $4 Helmet Strap It On $4 Hole Live Through This Geffen Alt $2 Holy Shit! Jesus Fucking Christ $3 Infarltion Unifying Themes LP ? $4 INXS X $1 Jimi Hendrix Are You Experienced? MCA $2 Joan Jett And The Blackhearts Notorious New Wave $1 Julian Lennon The Secret Value of Daydreaming Atlantic $2 Julian Lennon Valotte Atlantic $2 Kiss Animalize Polygram $2 Kiss Crazy Nights Polydor $2 Kiss Kiss Polydor $2 KIss Kiss $2 Laserbeams of Boredom Drone & Smoke $5 Led Zeppelin In Through The Out Door Atlantic $3 Lemonheads Creator x2 Taang! Records $3 Lemonheads Lick x2 Taang! Records $3 Lemonheads Hate Your Friends Taang! Records $3 Les Claypool Highball With The Devil $3 Lipcream 1-4-87 Osaka Japan bootleg Japanese Hardcore $6 Lou Reed Mistrial RCA Rock $3 Lou Reed Rock and Roll Diary $3 Lynyrd Skynyrd Southern By The Grace of God Tribute Tour 1987 MCA $1 Mad Mouth Masochism grey /50 Working Man $5 Madness One Step Beyond.. Sire Ska $2 Master P Ghetto D No Limit Rap $3 Mean Man's Dream Demo Galambis Hardcore $5 Metallica ...And Justice For All x2 Elektra $4 Misanthropic Noise Discography Tape 1 Thrash $4 Misanthropic Noise Discography Tape 2 Thrash $4 Moody Blues The Other Side of Lfie Polygram Classic Rock $1 Moody Blues Long Distance Voyager Polygram Classic Rock $1 More Intensified Vol 2 Ska Comp Ska $1 Morrissey Bootleg $1 Morrissey My Love Life $4 Motley Crue Theatre of Pain Elektra Metal $3 Motley Crue Dr. Feelgood Elektra Metal $3 Moving Targets Take This Ride Taang Hardcore $3 Moving Targets Brave Noise Taang Hardcore $3 Moving Targets Burning In Water Taang Hardcore $3 Moving Targets Fall Taang Hardcore $3 Mr. Largebeat $5 Neil Young Harvest $3 No Excuses Demo 2009 Punk $3 No Net Demo 2009 Jazz $1 Noun Noun ? $4 Oasis Definitely Maybe Epic Alt $4 OC Supertones Supertones Strike Back Ska $3 Ozzy Bark At The Moon Metal $3 Paraquets (ex Daniel Striped Tiger) American Specialties White/100 Night Moves $6 Paul Simon The Rythym of Saints $1 Peal Jam Vs. $3 Pearl Jam VS. Epic Classic Rock $3 Pilot Error Worst Case Scenario $0.5 Pink Floyd The Final Cut Columbia Rock $3 Pink Floyd The Final Cut Columbia Rock $3 Pink Floyd The Final Cut Columbia Rock $3 Pink Floyd Delicate Sound of Thunder Two Cassettes CBS $5 Pink Floyd Momentary Lapse of Reason $3 Pink Floyd The Wall CBS Classic Rock $3 Poison Idea The Record Collectors EP Taang! Records Punk $3 Poison Idea Blank Blackout Vacant Taang! Records Punk $3 Post Teens Punk $5 Presidents of the United States Presidents of the United States Columbia Alt $2 Psychotica Psychotica $1 Queen Live At Wembley '86 $2 Quiet Riot Metal Health $2 Raindance New Blood putty /50 Working Man $5 REM Eponymous MCA $1 Reverend Horton Heat It's Martini Time Interscope $3 Rollins Band The End of Silence Promo Punk $4 Santos, Mathieu Massachusetts 2010 yellow /50 Working Man $5 Scorpions Love At First Sting Metal $3 Scorpions Scorpions Metal $3 Sharp Knife Punk $5 Since The Fall Demo $3 Skid Row Skid Row Atlantic $3 Skinny Puppy Too Dark Park Capitol $3 Slingshot Dakota Dark Hearts Demo $5 Smash Mouth Fush Yu Mang Interscope Alt $1 Southern Culture On The Skids Dirt Track Date Geffen $1 Southern Culture on the Skids Dirt Track Date Geffen Southern Rock $1 SPEW Sampler Comp $1 Stealers Wheel Stealers Wheel A&M Classic Rock $1 Steely Dan Countdown to Ectstasy CBS Classic Rock $2 Steely Dan Gaucho MCA Classic Rock $2 Steely Dan Aja MCA Classic Rock $2 Stone Temple Pilots Stone Temple Pilots Alt $3 Stone Temple Pilots Core Atlantic Rock $3 Strung Along Demo $3 Swirlies Brokedick Car EP x3 Taang! Records Shoegaze $4 Swirlies What To Do About Them Taang! Records Shoegaze $4 Swirlies Blonder Tounge Audio Baton x3 Taang! Records Shoegaze $4 Talking Heads Little Creatures EMI Rock $3 Talking Heads "Naked" Sire Rock $3 Talking Heads Remain In Light Sire Rock $3 Talking Heads Stop Making Sense Sire Rock $3 The Beatles Free As A Bird CS $1 The Bluebells Sisters Indie $3 The Clash Story of The Clash Vol. 1 Punk $3 The Cult Sonic Temple Sire Alt $3 The Cult Sonic Temple $2 The Cure Mixed Up Elektra $3 The Cure Standing On A Beach - The Singles (And Unavailable B-Sides) Elektra Goth $3 The Dickies Locked 'n' Loaded 1990 Taang! Records $4 The Doors LA Woman Elektra $3 The Feelies Time For A Witness A&M Indie $2 The Feelies Time For A Witness A&M $3 The Freeze Misery Loves Company $2 The Freeze Land of the Lost $2 The Freeze Rabid Reaction $2 The Lab Rats Start Thinking Punk $5 The Mighty Mighty Bosstones Where'd You Go? Taang! Records Ska $3 The Mighty Mighty Bosstones More Noise & Other Disturbances Taang! Records Ska $3 The Moody Blues Long Distance Voyager Polygram $1 More Intensified Vol 2 Ska Comp Ska $1 Morrissey Bootleg $1 Morrissey My Love Life $4 Motley Crue Theatre of Pain Elektra Metal $3 Motley Crue Dr. Feelgood Elektra Metal $3 Moving Targets Take This Ride Taang Hardcore $3 Moving Targets Brave Noise Taang Hardcore $3 Moving Targets Burning In Water Taang Hardcore $3 Moving Targets Fall Taang Hardcore $3 Mr. Largebeat $5 Neil Young Harvest $3 No Excuses Demo 2009 Punk $3 No Net Demo 2009 Jazz $1 Noun Noun ? $4 Oasis Definitely Maybe Epic Alt $4 OC Supertones Supertones Strike Back Ska $3 Ozzy Bark At The Moon Metal $3 Paraquets (ex Daniel Striped Tiger) American Specialties White/100 Night Moves $6 Paul Simon The Rythym of Saints $1 Peal Jam Vs. $3 Pearl Jam VS. 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Records Punk $3 Post Teens Punk $5 Presidents of the United States Presidents of the United States Columbia Alt $2 Psychotica Psychotica $1 Queen Live At Wembley '86 $2 Quiet Riot Metal Health $2 Raindance New Blood putty /50 Working Man $5 REM Eponymous MCA $1 Reverend Horton Heat It's Martini Time Interscope $3 Rollins Band The End of Silence Promo Punk $4 Santos, Mathieu Massachusetts 2010 yellow /50 Working Man $5 Scorpions Love At First Sting Metal $3 Scorpions Scorpions Metal $3 Sharp Knife Punk $5 Since The Fall Demo $3 Skid Row Skid Row Atlantic $3 Skinny Puppy Too Dark Park Capitol $3 Slingshot Dakota Dark Hearts Demo $5 Smash Mouth Fush Yu Mang Interscope Alt $1 Southern Culture On The Skids Dirt Track Date Geffen $1 Southern Culture on the Skids Dirt Track Date Geffen Southern Rock $1 SPEW Sampler Comp $1 Stealers Wheel Stealers Wheel A&M Classic Rock $1 Steely Dan Countdown to Ectstasy CBS Classic Rock $2 Steely Dan Gaucho MCA Classic Rock $2 Steely Dan Aja MCA Classic Rock $2 Stone Temple Pilots Stone Temple Pilots Alt $3 Stone Temple Pilots Core Atlantic Rock $3 Strung Along Demo $3 Swirlies Brokedick Car EP x3 Taang! Records Shoegaze $4 Swirlies What To Do About Them Taang! Records Shoegaze $4 Swirlies Blonder Tounge Audio Baton x3 Taang! Records Shoegaze $4 Talking Heads Little Creatures EMI Rock $3 Talking Heads "Naked" Sire Rock $3 Talking Heads Remain In Light Sire Rock $3 Talking Heads Stop Making Sense " " Sire Rock $3 The Beatles Free As A Bird CS $1 The Bluebells Sisters Indie $3 The Clash Story of The Clash Vol. 1 Punk $3 The Cult Sonic Temple Sire Alt $3 The Cult Sonic Temple $2 The Cure Mixed Up Elektra $3 The Cure Standing On A Beach - The Singles (And Unavailable B-Sides) Elektra Goth $3 The Dickies Locked 'n' Loaded 1990 Taang! Records $4 The Doors LA Woman Elektra $3 The Feelies Time For A Witness A&M Indie $2 The Feelies Time For A Witness A&M $3 The Freeze Misery Loves Company $2 The Freeze Land of the Lost $2 The Freeze Rabid Reaction $2 The Lab Rats Start Thinking Punk $5 The Mighty Mighty Bosstones Where'd You Go? Taang! Records Ska $3 The Mighty Mighty Bosstones More Noise & Other Disturbances Taang! Records Ska $3 The Moody Blues Long Distance Voyager Polygram $1 The Moody Blues The Other Side of Life Polygram $1 The Psychedelic Furs The Psychedelic Furs $3 The Psychedelic Furs Mirror Moves $3 The Rolling Stones Its Only Rock And Roll $3 The Titanics The Titanics Taang $1 The Toasters This Gun For Hire Moon Ska $3 The Who Hooligans MCA $2 The Who It's Hard Warner Bros. $2 The Who Tommy only have the first tape MCA $1 The Who Who's Next MCA $2 This Are Two Tone Ska Comp $2 Toadstool The Sun Highway $1 Tom Tom Club Tom Tom Club Sire $4 Tom Waits Blue Valentine sounds bad Asylum $0.5 Tribe 8 Fist City Alternative Tentacles $2 Tribe 8 By The time We Get To Colorado Outpunk $2 Upside Down Cross Upside Down Cross Taang! Records $2 Upside Down Cross Evilution Taang! 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  45. brianmorgante rules fast payment
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  46. Well, balls. I just saw this thread for the first time...
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