dobyblue

No, we have been complaining about the ruination of our music for several years now.
 
Every reissue I can think of sounds like shit.  Nirvana Box Set, shit. PJ Ten reissue, shit.
 
I don't know about you, but when an artist puts loud AND soft parts in a song I assume they meant to do so.  If I want it louder I can fuckin turn up the volume knob.
 
Plus compression destroys the dynamic range of cymbals.  It's simple, if you like your music with range and depth and clarity that you should boycott and compressed shit.
 

 
It is amazing for any vinyl collector to not be concerned with this unless you only plan on hanging your albums on the wall.

A thread for these discussions already exists. Putting this one on a time out.
 
 

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. 
 

can yall fuck off to another thread in Everything else...... Maynard being a full creepo shouldnt surprise anyone and its not a pre order for repressings
 
 
thanks

Modest Mouse’s Isaac Brock also. 

And how many guilty people have been Me Too'd? I don't see the evidence. 
 
Take into account the damage that has been caused as a result of people jumping on that bandwagon, there are a TON of people who have been accused for sexually harassing someone simply for giving someone a compliment, or a chick who lacked the spine to simply say she wasn't interested.
 
People love to be victims.

Yeah, that's not a weird take at all. It's so strange to see how large in numbers you pot meet kettle folk are.

Because...

Might as well lock this thread, meow.

gonna jump in early and say, if you're looking to burn/throw away your Tool records, you can mail them to me! I will get rid of them for you.
 
Innocent until proven guilty

Oh, you should definitely check'em out! Gavin played drums on his first solo album...on TRTRTS & H.C.E. it's Marco Minnemann, who is a freaking beast! I love Gavin's drumming but kudos to Marco Minnemann, he's incredible!
 
To be honest, I was suprised by Guthrie...never heard of him before and he's, hands-down, probably the best guitar player I've ever seen! That guy is incredible...I just can't put it in words!
I think where Insurgentes was a collection of songs which didn't fit PT, Grace included more of a real song-writing procedure...
But honestly, TRTRTS had brillant moments! Fantastic songs from start to finish although some doodling was just too much IMO!
Until Hand.Cannot.Erase, Insurgentes was my favorite solo record...but then came HCE and BOOM! This is perfection from start to finish...it's a whole package that makes it the perfect SW-album! I never really listen to single songs from this record but the whole thing! It's fantastic!

Cheers, same. Aenima too.

Other than 10,000 days, the masterings of all the Tool albums on CD have been excellent and have avoided The Loudness Wars, and even 10,000 days is still nowhere near the dynamic range compression levels we see on NIN and Red Hot Chili Pepper records...they've done a really good job with mastering. Hopefully that won't change on the new album.

However for those that don't have $400 to plonk down on AEnima on vinyl, the idea of getting one pressed at one of the top houses mastered by someone like Grundman, Bellman, RK Smith, Gray, etc., cut directly from the original analogue master, it's hard not to get excited.

If they're done properly and they do a box set, day one preorder for me.

I went through two US copies (2006, using the same lacquers as the 1999 release) of Undertow and they both stunk compared to the CD. I listened to the shit out of this album when it was released, as an angry 19 year old sometimes with a brain full of acid, it is a deeply personal album for me...would love a copy on my turntable that does it (the album) justice.

Other than 10,000 days, the masterings of all the Tool albums on CD have been excellent and have avoided The Loudness Wars, and even 10,000 days is still nowhere near the dynamic range compression levels we see on NIN and Red Hot Chili Pepper records...they've done a really good job with mastering. Hopefully that won't change on the new album.

However for those that don't have $400 to plonk down on AEnima on vinyl, the idea of getting one pressed at one of the top houses mastered by someone like Grundman, Bellman, RK Smith, Gray, etc., cut directly from the original analogue master, it's hard not to get excited.

If they're done properly and they do a box set, day one preorder for me.

I went through two US copies (2006, using the same lacquers as the 1999 release) of Undertow and they both stunk compared to the CD. I listened to the shit out of this album when it was released, as an angry 19 year old sometimes with a brain full of acid, it is a deeply personal album for me...would love a copy on my turntable that does it (the album) justice.

Im not too sure they are spending so much time on it......i think with the other commitments and lawsuits and shit they probably havnt had all that much time invested in it
 
Itll be good.......Im more excited about the prospect of re issues tbh

The label wasn't going to do anything, Steven mentioned as much in a Q&A on Quadraphonic Quad a few years ago:

Dec.14.2014 - Hello folks

Firstly, I'm very glad you enjoy these records. In Absentia especially remains an album of which I'm very proud. Unfortunately as the sound recordings are owned by Warners, and they seem neither interesting in revamping them, or allowing anyone else to license them to do the job, at present any kind of reissue of these 2 albums seems rather remote.

S
 
http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?18341-Will-In-Absentia-or-Deadwing-be-Reissued

Now that Kscope has the rights to these albums Steven has been able to remaster them for vinyl without the ugly loudness wars mastering found on the existing stereo masterings. No doubt they're going to sound fantastic.

Suck it Warners!

 

The label wasn't going to do anything, Steven mentioned as much in a Q&A on Quadraphonic Quad a few years ago:

Dec.14.2014 - Hello folks

Firstly, I'm very glad you enjoy these records. In Absentia especially remains an album of which I'm very proud. Unfortunately as the sound recordings are owned by Warners, and they seem neither interesting in revamping them, or allowing anyone else to license them to do the job, at present any kind of reissue of these 2 albums seems rather remote.

S
 
http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?18341-Will-In-Absentia-or-Deadwing-be-Reissued

Now that Kscope has the rights to these albums Steven has been able to remaster them for vinyl without the ugly loudness wars mastering found on the existing stereo masterings. No doubt they're going to sound fantastic.

Suck it Warners!

 

We need a remix, not a remaster. The lack of bass is in the stereo mix, so no amount of mastering is going to fix it. The album desperately needs a new mix and release it alongside the original mix so that no-one can say revisionism is bad as they wouldn't be trying to replace it. Hopefully the original multitracks are in good shape. Heck if they managed to find the original PRE-bounce tapes for Sgt Peppers 50 years later to create new stereo and 5.1 mixes, there's hope for AJFA.

Confirmed that AEnima was recorded and mixed entirely analogue (mixed to 1/2" tape) whereas Lateralus multis were transferred to ProTools and then mixed to 1/2" tape. So the possibility for a new AAA release of AEnima is certainly there.

In order to do Lateralus AAA they'd need to remix the album, I don't see that happening - but if they cut it directly from the unmastered 1/2" stereo mix then we could still get a bloody brilliant fully dynamic release of Lateralus as well.

Fingers crossed that magic will occur.

Confirmed that AEnima was recorded and mixed entirely analogue (mixed to 1/2" tape) whereas Lateralus multis were transferred to ProTools and then mixed to 1/2" tape. So the possibility for a new AAA release of AEnima is certainly there.

In order to do Lateralus AAA they'd need to remix the album, I don't see that happening - but if they cut it directly from the unmastered 1/2" stereo mix then we could still get a bloody brilliant fully dynamic release of Lateralus as well.

Fingers crossed that magic will occur.

The Music For Nations 2xLP DMM reissues were the BEST IMO.  They did KEA, RTL, and MOP in that series.  Truly the definitive editions IMO. 

We need a remix, not a remaster. The lack of bass is in the stereo mix, so no amount of mastering is going to fix it. The album desperately needs a new mix and release it alongside the original mix so that no-one can say revisionism is bad as they wouldn't be trying to replace it. Hopefully the original multitracks are in good shape. Heck if they managed to find the original PRE-bounce tapes for Sgt Peppers 50 years later to create new stereo and 5.1 mixes, there's hope for AJFA.

We need a remix, not a remaster. The lack of bass is in the stereo mix, so no amount of mastering is going to fix it. The album desperately needs a new mix and release it alongside the original mix so that no-one can say revisionism is bad as they wouldn't be trying to replace it. Hopefully the original multitracks are in good shape. Heck if they managed to find the original PRE-bounce tapes for Sgt Peppers 50 years later to create new stereo and 5.1 mixes, there's hope for AJFA.

Surprised this isn't a 2xLP. Can't imagine it'll sound that great if 55 minutes is crammed onto a single LP

I think you're correct, I'm pretty sure Ron and Sylvia mixed Undertow on a Neve 8038 console. Even 10,000 Days appears to have been kept all analogue right until the final mastering stage when Bob Ludwig used a Pyramix DAW which in 2005/2006 would have been capable of DXD. Final master was 24/96, but does the stereo master mix (ie - before the mastering) exist on tape? According to mixonline's interview with Barresi and Ludwig the multitrack format was analogue tape but also dumped to ProTools "to preserve it". It also states the album was mixed by Barresi on an SSL G+ console which is an analogue mixing console. So was the ProTools dump just for archival purposes and the mix was all analogue right up to the mastering stage?

I do like what Bob said about it: "If any record deserves to be heard in surround sound, it's this one. There's so much tone painting and so much color. It would just be a thrill to hear it in surround sound. And with 96k, 24-bit masters, we're ready for any kind of high-resolution digital projects.”

I'll see if Mr. L can shed some light on the final process, he's usually very responsive to courteous e-mails. Have also asked Adam for some insight on the earlier albums. It does sounds like Opiate, Undertow and AEnima were all mixed on Neve consoles.