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I think theres 2 types in this thread, those who are bummed/disgusted and don't want to support him and those who know its bad/don't give a shit about it, but want to find a way to move past it, to still be a fan. Both are pushing against the other for different reasons. 
 
 
And I'm not saying the latter group is OK with any of it, but I do think they are making concessions to personal responsibility or at least their empathy, in order to continually enjoy something and not be displaced. 
 
 

Putting aside that its important to keep talking about about patterns of abusive behavior in order to root it out, I think people keep bringing it up whenever theres news about Ryan because many were huge fans, and when this story broke, they felt betrayed. And on top of it, he's not getting better. 
 
 
 
 

He writes music heavily informed by his life and in particular his relationships. I mean, his whole shtick is being the heartbroken troubadour.
 
Its fine to ignore the personal stuff, and if you can bury your head like an ostrich and not know anything about him and focus only on the music, go for it. More power to you. But if you even know the story, I don't know how you can untangle the two.
 
I don't think people need a resume/wiki check to get into an artist, but if you hear or story or 2 its not unreasonable to have it impact how you view them.
 
 

First of all, don't do this. It normalizes behavior like his. Can't give him a pass just because no one is perfect. At the risk of being #notallmen, you can't apples to apples peoples faults, errors, cruelties or crimes. 
 
Second, this is REALLY minimizing what he is/was accused of. But at the end of the day, its the power dynamics, emotional manipulation, creepy behavior, and flat out mental abuse that people are taking issue with. I HOPE people are pointing this out in their daily lives and not just on twitter or some messageboard. If we want a better society we have to hold people accountable and thats what people seem to be doing with Ryan. 
 
this is bullshit, no one is dogging him when he's not in the news. He's the one writing letters to the daily Mail or agreeing to interviews with LA magazines. And when he pops up, he wants the credit for doing the time, but doesn't want to put in the work. There has been no sincere or thorough mea culpa from him. That article makes it look like he's made some strides, but then when you see his IG meltdowns, you have to question whats really real. 
Do I hope he owns this, tries to make himself better, and be an advocate so he could come back? Absolutely. He's crazy talented. But if you are gonna treat people like shit (which has always been his pattern), do minimal leg work, want the credit and then whine that its others people fault thats keeping you down and not own your own shortcomings, well, you're gonna get called out every time you surface.
 

That is very clearly not what you are “just saying.” You said way more. And you brought in a number of other confirmed and accused sexual predators to back it up. It sounds terrible and uninformed about how sexual assault works for the assaulted.

Vega...all I have to say about your reaction to all of this is YIKES

history will see ryan adams as a flash in the pan. not a genius. there's no excuse for any of this and vega, you might want to look a little inward, pal, because there are items at play you're not getting.

nice way to minimize things because somehow it's inconvenient for you to stop giving shitty people your money.  as if because she opened a few dates for Ryan Adams in 2017 she got famous!? that's insulting. the 13 year-old bass player was "god-damn fame hungry" and couldn't help but play along? Roman Polanski isn't just a "perv", he was a 43 year-old man, who drugged and sodomized and 13 year-old girl. oh, then he plead guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor. then on the eve of his sentencing he fled the country and hasn't been back since for fear of having to actually serve time for the unlawful sexual intercourse he plead guilty to. he's made some incredible films, but for fuck's sake...

there really is always some chowderhead, their opinionatedness only surpassed by ignorance, eager to trot out this gross shit, isn't there. my god.

you get how power dynamics work, right?
 

Basically I got tired of him being a dick. Also, I’ve realized I haven’t really enjoyed his music thoroughly for about 15 years (some stuff here and there). I wish he could have been a better person towards those women (and his fans and band mates over the years). 
 
but I wish people were kinder towards others in general

Also, the mental gymnastic you have to do to justify still enjoying a dude’s music is exhausting. 
 
I mean, like it or don’t. People who don’t have been explaining why. You still want to? Sweet. You aren’t being “cancelled” because of it. 
 

I think you have a misperception of how excited people are for Biden. 
 
 
 

Me Too is a modern day Salem Witch Hunt and Russiagate is a modern day rehash of 1950s McCarthyism.
 
Absolutely HILARIOUS that Liberals have fallen for 2 repeats of Massive historical black eyes for the USA.

Guys he still doesn't realize he's arguing that Joe Biden's alleged sexual behavior shouldn't affect his role as president as part of his Ryan Adams argument for why Biden is a piece of shit and Adams isn't. Lmfao troll level >9,000.

you're literally the one that is keeping this going by bringing up topics that don't pertain to vinyl or music.

Am I trolling here? 
 
I'm trying to do the same thing here that I did at TBY. To open hearts and minds that certain behavior should be unacceptable. 
 
Theres been a bunch of victim blaming in this thread and thats not fair. If you still want to listen to RA, go for it. But we can all agree, even if you think the NYT piece is wrong, that behavior is bad. And there are people who read that piece and still think its OK. 
 
Thats not OK by me. 

I get there are people on the left looking for fights. Those types of people exist on all sides though. People just want to fight now a days. They don't give a shit what the issue is. And in some cases, it can come down to nitpicking actions, but also, maybe we've lived in the dark so long about peoples behavior that a larger swath of people are kinda done with letting bad shit just slip by without being called out. 
 
 
 

NO ONE IS REALLY CANCELLED. The reality is people don't like a certain behavior and they are fine leaving artists or whoever behind.  People can still go about doing their shit. they'll just have less fans. teh only people that get hurt about "cancellation" are people who, I don't know, are insecure about people they like fucking up and losing fans. 
 
 
 

One team one dream

I'm just laughing at Tommy always being on the side of the accused asshole in every argument on this website. Almost as if he's had some trouble in the matter himself... 🤔 Solidarity? 

I literally gave you a list of artists who did precisely that. You even quoted me listing them. And yet your brain forces you to wipe them away from your reply, somehow. Like, what's your damage? In your bid to try to uphold Adams as a victim, you're going to callously dismiss all the musicians who've worked hard (in DM's case, including kicking heroin FFS) to achieve mental wellness? That's... Pathological avoidance of reality. That's a "you" problem. You should fix that. By talking to a professional.
 
Again, you're being wilfully blind/obtuse. This is classic enablement you're practicing. It's so fucking toxic. Stop pretending you can minimize a clear pattern of reckless and toxic behaviour that's been documented over decades. Hell, why don't you take 15 minutes and browse every Pitchfork article detailing Adams many instances of public meltdowns rather than Doublethinking all those moments away, as if they never existed because it's easier for you to pretend, today, that none of it happened?

I talk mad shit about Bowie and Chris Brown, the whataboutism is kind of a misplaced straw man here
The joke writes itself
Nailed it. People who want to improve their character can do so, but the key word there is want. If you don't actually have intentions of changing your behavior, then you aren't "healing".

I assume everyone here advocating for giving Ryan space to "heal" also don't believe most of the allegations against him, which he and this total fluff piece are obviously trying to discredit, since they attempt to poke holes in most of the stories. 
 
That should be your disclaimer. Otherwise, I see no reason at this point, why he couldn't acknowledge the pain expressed in the NYT article, apologize for it, and promise to do better. Some might not accept that, but I bet many would. It would at least sound sincere. Instead, it sounds like he believes he did nothing wrong, and it seems there are lots of excuses being made to hold that up, without any evidence to the contrary. 
 
"Hey, Mandy Moore could have gone and picked up the guitar anytime she wanted if she thought she didn't need me," doesn't really satisfy a whole lot. 

Here's the thing: he clearly hasn't, and has no intention to. His behavior hasn't changed in 20 years and he shows no signs that he's likely to change.
 
A person who wants to heal, change, and grow will find a way to do it. A person who doesn't want to will find ways not to.
 
Also lol @ everyone but you being hyperbolic