gmoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewvandal Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I know for a fact that on a previous major label release from ETR he marked up the product OVER 100% in his store. I have no clue what his mark-up is here, but if previous efforts are any indication, he's making a lot. Your right - you probably don't have the slightest idea what the mark up is. HYPOTHETICALLY speaking if ETR is to net $5,000 dollars off of this release (my guess would be less) what do you think that breaks down by hour? A project over a year in the works.. Also assuming this is a one or two man operations and they have homies helping pack / ship / etc. Wouldn't call this a money grab or even close to it. Done arguing with you about this, like I mentioned before you don't have a clue. feralpanda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danionly Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Default VC position: defend the guy who licenses what is in demand, shit on band that's bummed about their record being released because they didn't take the time to communicate with their label/manager/Ross, but still want a copy of the release for free. Fill shelves with albums that still hold up today. FTFY somber_silt and deafening 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock N Roll Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I have absolutely no issues with gkersey, he is a good dude and I have always supported ETR and will continue to do so. That being said, both of you need to take this to a PM. Shitty Rambo, gmoney, jewfro and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gmoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 kurtz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Oh, so just ignoring every situation ever is the solution. Didn't realize that. Especially after you told them you'd go on the date initially. feralpanda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agaetisbyrjun Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Who would've thought a bunch of 30 year olds in a pop punk band would create this much drama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nardes Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 If you call and ask someone on a date, and they say yes... and you show up for that date and they don't... did you get stood up? I think so. thedillon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesomexloveus Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 deafening and brianmorgante 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michaelgetsboss Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Seeing the way cartel is reacting to this makes me not want to even own this record anymore, I'd cancel it but I want to support ETR Yooooo, jbrana, bruch023 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfrancese5 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Seeing the way cartel is reacting to this makes me not want to even own this record anymore, I'd cancel it but I want to support ETR yup, I feel the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewfro Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 "cont: Also, don't make dinner reservations or buy movie tickets unless you know for sure the date is happening." womp. i agree, the way the band is reacting to this is really immature. my respect for them is receding more than this dudes hairline Shitty Rambo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isavedlatin54 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Mr pepper did not like my tweet to cartel.....whoops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isavedlatin54 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Let's get serious.... We should see the emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrana Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Some people don't seem to understand that a record label is mostly an investment firm that has an interest in music. At the end of the day, Cartel was paid by Epic for the rights to Chroma, and it is now in Epic's hands to gain a profit on their investment (ie, licensing it to a third party). This is called business. Neither Epic nor a contracted third party need the band's permission as it was already granted in the initial contract. For the band to badmouth the pressing of an album that they sold the rights to is complete nonsense, unprofessional, and in bad taste. If they wanted to protect their art and release it the way they see fit, they shouldn't have signed a contract with a major label. passionbrand and somber_silt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
companyinkrecs Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 LOL at everything and everyone, ever. The self-righteousness associated with this medium specifically is astounding, and the common idea that all bands are saints (yea man you are so creative and your lyrics changed my junior year of high school bro!) and all labels are evil is hilarious. Ross, you're in a tough position because you cater to an audience that buys into this silly false sense of morality. Go blame Sony/Epic for not caring enough to fill in Cartel if you're such noble soldiers. Go blame Cartel for signing a contract giving up control of their masters if this is so unfair. Or don't buy Ross's record. But this laughable notion that anything was done in poor taste (fuck legality, which is not an issue) is just a goofy sentiment. Ross went out of his way to make them aware and to me that's more than most do. And guess what? Licensing a record is NOT HARD. Look how many "labels" there are doing it. They had, I don't know, TEN YEARS? to secure the rights to do their own version. This is why I only buy records from soul singers that died 50 years ago at this point. ...and the Paranorman score. feralpanda, thedillon, hippielauryn and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfrancese5 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Some people don't seem to understand that a record label is mostly an investment firm that has an interest in music. At the end of the day, Cartel was paid by Epic for the rights to Chroma, and it is now in Epic's hands to gain a profit on their investment (ie, licensing it to a third party). This is called business. Neither Epic nor a contracted third party need the band's permission as it was already granted in the initial contract. For the band to badmouth the pressing of an album that they sold the rights to is complete nonsense, unprofessional, and in bad taste. If they wanted to protect their art and release it the way they see fit, they shouldn't have signed a contract with a major label. Very well said. They're just coming off like cry babies and jerks... and no one likes a jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 LOL at everything and everyone, ever. It's lunch now. And Wednesday. And this is exactly how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
companyinkrecs Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 It's lunch now. And Wednesday. And this is exactly how I feel. By the way, Cartel had NO IDEA that you did those test jackets. I hope they hated them. I think you need to give yourself 1000 lashes. gmoney and somber_silt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 By the way, Cartel had NO IDEA that you did those test jackets. I hope they hated them. I think you need to give yourself 1000 lashes. Done. Thanks for keeping me in line Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhulud Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Another classic VC thread. Thanks for the lunchtime hilarity, folks! THE_James_Champ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
companyinkrecs Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Done. Thanks for keeping me in line Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nardes Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Joe when you did Ransom did you have any contact issues or any contact with the band? I'm just curious... I'm pretty sure I don't remember the band promoting your pressing either. EDIT: I reread this and realized it's sassy... I promise no sassiness was meant... just curious how your experience was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewfro Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 They did make posts on FB about The Ransom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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