gmoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Where has Brand New said anything about anything? I hate to talk about Brand New anymore but that band demands to be heavily involved with the aesthetics of everything they have to put their name on. That's why the AFS press kept getting delayed and why Déjà hasn't been rereleased yet. While I'm making an assumption, I'm sure the band was not happy about that release for obvious reasons. And to answer your second question, I honestly don't care. Cool. It seems this vs. the MOV Brand New seem to be pretty different areas, then. So you're picking a fight, just because? I don't think I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 morally right Okay this is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 And honestly, if you know me, I think I am pretty level-headed most of the time. This issue comes up pretty often. Years ago, when ETR released RXB most of this community was really upset by what Ross was doing. Now the tide seems to have shifted and I'd like to know why. I love talking about this sort of thing, but really wanna keep it on topic. If you have a problem with me personally, or you want to buy a record from me because you don't agree with whats on my shelf, shoot me a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesomexloveus Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 David The Gnome, drewvandal and hippielauryn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjb2k1 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 hearing directly from the lead singer of a big and well respected band isn't hearsay. i mean is he talking about RXB or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 He could be, but are they considered "big" anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketcat Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 aren't we all really just here for the cat gifs? and the lulz, don't forget the lulz, very important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 sjb2k1, drewvandal and lonesomexloveus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfrancese5 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 More cat gifs. sjb2k1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shenanigans Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This issue comes up pretty often. Years ago, when ETR released RXB most of this community was really upset by what Ross was doing. Now the tide seems to have shifted and I'd like to know why. This. It seems like every other release Ross puts out has this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketcat Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 sjb2k1, cfrancese5 and drewvandal 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmightbewrong Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 oojavaguru 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfrancese5 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I really don't understand why it's worth getting upset about... I mean artists get fucked on spotify money should we not use that anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This. It seems like every other release Ross puts out has this issue. Apparently ETR has only put out 3 releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 This issue comes up pretty often. Years ago, when ETR released RXB most of this community was really upset by what Ross was doing. Now the tide seems to have shifted and I'd like to know why. That was a totally different situation. Ross was new to everyone at the time, was completely unproven as a record label owner and had no track record. He fucked up, and I think he'll willingly admit that. He's since put out dozens of records with all sorts of bands, active and broken up, big and small, and it's clear he's gotten better at what he does, because people continue to work with him and promote the product he creates. Would I reissue something on vinyl without telling the band? No. But clearly, that's not what Ross did here. And the only reason people care is because it's 1)an active band and 2)someone who's easily reachable—aka not Music On Vinyl, 4 Men With Beards, Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, etc. All of those companies buy the rights to releases all the time and reissue them with all sorts of bells and whistles, likely without the artist's involvement. Do you think those limited colored pressings Newbury Comics are doing are signed off on by the artist 100% of the time? Doubtful. It's an artist's job to create art however they deem appropriate. It's a record company's job to sell that art however they deem appropriate. As someone who has nearly 15 years in "the industry," let me tell you that band members are typically the most out-of-the-loop people when it comes to their own careers, which is why they react emotionally and publicly to things like this instead of trying to politely and professionally get to the bottom of it behind the scenes. Such is the creative mind, I suppose. I like Cartel. I like this record. I like Ross. I bought a copy, which puts money in Ross' pockets, who already put money into Cartel's pockets, because the licensing fee he paid to Epic most likely included royalties. There is no loser in this situation, except people who want to pretend they understand how the music industry works but have literally less than 1% of a clue. ACS___, horrorbusiness138, enjoytheride and 23 others 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewfro Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I've used all my upvotes, but count this as an upvote, Scott. Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3arl Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Do you guys remember when we found out about the Shone scavenger hunt before AP.net did? That was awesome. I think it was the longest thread in the site's history dedicated to figuring out the mystery, and then some dude decides to join VC and post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrana Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I think morally right vs. legally right are two different things. Yes... Morality is subjective and legality is not. This was pressed legally. Discussion over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 You know what's great? As an architect, in your contract, the drawings you create belong to you. They are simply used by an owner/contractor to make a building. I know that's not how the music industry works (typically), but it sure would be nice. Maybe one day things will change for the better (if they aren't already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjb2k1 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 You know what's great? As an architect, in your contract, the drawings you create belong to you. They are simply used by an owner/contractor to make a building. I know that's not how the music industry works (typically), but it sure would be nice. Maybe one day things will change for the better (if they aren't already). if you're in a band, don't sign something that takes away your right to the music you create? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 You know what's great? As an architect, in your contract, the drawings you create belong to you. They are simply used by an owner/contractor to make a building. I know that's not how the music industry works (typically), but it sure would be nice. Maybe one day things will change for the better (if they aren't already). Technically they would belong to the firm, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrana Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 You know what's great? As an architect, in your contract, the drawings you create belong to you. They are simply used by an owner/contractor to make a building. I know that's not how the music industry works (typically), but it sure would be nice. Maybe one day things will change for the better (if they aren't already). How exactly would that be for the better? Bands typically sign to a label because they don't have the significant funds or means to put out a quality record, market their album, receive radio / film / tv placements, tour support, etc. Should a label not be paid for their financial investment, risk, and work involved to develop an artist's career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Technically they would belong to the firm, no? Not typically. Standard Owner/Architect agreement (unless modified) puts the ownership in the architect's hands. How exactly would that be for the better? Bands typically sign to a label because they don't have the significant funds or means to put out a quality record, market their album, receive radio / film / tv placements, tour support, etc. Should a label not be paid for their financial investment, risk, and work involved to develop an artist's career? I think a label should be paid. I just wish rights to music remained with the creators of said music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfrancese5 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I think this debate has reached it's end... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajhall04 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 So it continues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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