soundofsilver Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 You've seen the name of this forum correct? ^^^^^^ monsterrod and throwgncpr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74R Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Jay-Z thinks 18 minute classics don't exist then what the fuck is this? *dropsmic* You got two in one on that post. 18 minutes long AND doesn't have a recognizable hook. _stretts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterrod Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Man. I'm shocked at the amount of negativity on this forum. I understand if it's not your cup of tea but everyone's so fast to label it a cash crab. I for one am happy to pay $20 a month for the difference in sound I can hear when doing tests between this and spotify on my Martin Logan speakers or oppo headphones. It's a really good value when I consider I spend much more than $20 a month on CDs only to obtain a lossless copy ripped to my computer. By getting this service I won't need to continue to purchase so many CDs. Now It'll just be vinyl and streaming lossless for me This would probably go over a little better at Lossless HIFI Streaming Collective. This is the VINYL forum in a VINYL message board. I'm surprised that this hasn't been locked or moved to the Everything Else thread by now. thesewoodenideas and 74R 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNEAKORDS Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 On restoring "fair trade" in music:Definitely. For someone like me, I can go on tour. But what about the people working on the record, the content creators and not just the artists? If they’re not being compensated properly, then I think we’ll lose some writers and producers and people like that who depend on fair trade. Some would probably have to take another job, and I think we’ll lose some great writers in the process. Is it fair? No. If you put in work, everyone else, you go to work you get paid. That’s fair trade. It’s what our country is built on. hah. this just kills me. oh, you mean the people that you made your millions on the backs of, that do everything for you, that you wouldn't be shit without, don't get the pay or recognition they deserve while you take the credit and cash in? and that isn't fair? do tell me more. tape 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdturbo Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Man. I'm shocked at the amount of negativity on this forum. I understand if it's not your cup of tea but everyone's so fast to label it a cash crab. I for one am happy to pay $20 a month for placebo ftfy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family Friendly Rap God Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Nah.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnystorm777 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I would never do anything to support Jay Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfrancese5 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 If Dr. Dre can sell people over priced head phones then why can't Jay-Z sell people over priced streaming services? stl_ben and 74R 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeJoe Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 If I want a Lossless audio file. I'll download it. I'm not paying 20$ a month for that. It also saddens me to see artists like Daft Punk and aphex twin being a part of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Streaming services, of all stripes, have pretty much stayed at $10 or under so they've got an uphill value in demonstrating their value proposition to the average consumer. I've got no problem with the price point, if the stream is truly high quality. I still think these subscription models offer tremendous value, even at $20, but definitely don't care enough about the sound quality to pay double the price. So, in that sense, my opinion is sort of irrelevant. I think Daft Punk and Aphex Twin probably also like money and getting paid for their music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesewoodenideas Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 If I want a Lossless audio file. I'll download it. I'm not paying 20$ a month for that. It also saddens me to see artists like Daft Punk and aphex twin being a part of this. Streaming services, of all stripes, have pretty much stayed at $10 or under so they've got an uphill value in demonstrating their value proposition to the average consumer. I've got no problem with the price point, if the stream is truly high quality. I still think these subscription models offer tremendous value, even at $20, but definitely don't care enough about the sound quality to pay double the price. So, in that sense, my opinion is sort of irrelevant. I think Daft Punk and Aphex Twin probably also like money and getting paid for their music. tape 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family Friendly Rap God Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I would never do anything to support Jay Z. Here we go with this shit again. cfrancese5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The only use a streaming service would ever have for me, is on my phone, in my car. Why would I pay $20/month for lossless audio to be streamed over my 4g and max our my plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseydave77 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 WOW!!!! That Tidal press conference and video has inspired a sudden desire in me to pirate the shit out of all their music. That had to be one of the most tone-deaf and out of touch things I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 The only use a streaming service would ever have for me, is on my phone, in my car. Why would I pay $20/month for lossless audio to be streamed over my 4g and max our my plan? I totally agree. Frankly, I don't think the audience is there for that tier of service. We could be proven wrong, we shall see. It wouldn't surprise me if they lossless option is included as more of a differentiator than anything else. They can loudly proclaim the quality of their service exceeds their competitors in the initial marketing push whilst knowing full well that they'll probably be scaling-back that service offering at some point in the future. WOW!!!! That Tidal press conference and video has inspired a sudden desire in me to pirate the shit out of all their music. That had to be one of the most tone-deaf and out of touch things I've ever seen. For real man. Probably a better way to launch a service then having some of the richest artists in the world ask for double the money. GalacticMelt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidamnesiac Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Really interesting to see all the negative opinions going on in this thread. I read this less as a "cash grab" and more as an attempt by some of the older, more successful musicians to preserve the industry for a new generation. Like it or not, streaming is the future of music consumption. And while Tidal definitely needs to iron out it's kinks ($20 a month for lossless is ludicrous), I can see this being a very good thing. Artists complain all the time about streaming paying them pennies. If Jay Z and co. can provide a streaming service that pays artists acceptably and with its focus on the consumer as they're claiming, awesome. They definitely have my attention. wbhendrix and SaviorSelf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseydave77 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I have no real opinion on this service - I only found the promo press conference and video to be completely out of touch. I pay Netflix $8 a month. They are churning out a ton of well financed and high quality exclusives while also managing an incredible back catalogue. They are making a ton of money. People in my business are happy to work with them - they are actually very good to work with from an artists perspective. They are offering fair pay for the work they acquire and fund. I'm more of an indie music consumer so something like Tidal is never going to appeal to me since it won't mine deep enough to ever be worth it but their pricing is totally out of sync with the media world. Netflix grew up - Tidal wants to be an adult from day one. I'm not buying in. stl_ben, tape, Duff and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hezagenius Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I'll take Bandcamp over Tidal. Better music probably, and I can stream for free and pay to download FLAC/buy vinyl if I want to own the lossless version. stl_ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynflnnry Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 if they matched spotify's prices they would probably have more of a case for themselves Duff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 if they matched spotify's prices they would probably have more of a case for themselves The point that they're trying to make is that spotify rips off artists. Though, by having tons of millionaires endorsing this and not explaining how smaller artists get paid, they're not exactly explaining how this is any sort of solution. tape, slushy and Duff 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 cash crab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natenomm Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I was really hoping someone would've mentioned "Illuminati" at some point in this thread. Oh well. cfrancese5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 cash crab I was really hoping someone would've mentioned "Illuminati" at some point in this thread. Oh well. It's Jay Z. Figured it was a given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidamnesiac Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 if they matched spotify's prices they would probably have more of a case for themselves This. Offer one service and match Spotify's price. Put an option in the app to stream lossless only on wifi for those worried about data charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetsuodaironman Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Yo, Jay Z...my only question is, will you feature an artist that pushes the envelope by dissing you in a track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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