drds89 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 This material is better than anything the band has done post-"Peregrine". Wait. What? (ok, musical taste is subjective) i am not into tapes at all, but am I the only one who thinks that a $9 tape is way more of a reach than a $20 LP? Still debating picking this up though, can anyone recommend me another great Big School Records release to save on shipping? Get both for $30ppd. $20 for the 180gm, $5 tape, $5 shipping. Voila! But yeah, $9 is a bit steep, though they are /150 and hand-numbered! (-: I have paid that for some cassettes, like recently Mamiffer (may have been more), but it has all kind of cool hand-made stuff with it and directly by the artists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Hmmm. I was able to license a record from deep elm and press 500 copies on colored vinyl at a more expensive plant and sell them for $11. The pressing may never sell out either. But yeah, $25 is reasonable for something that probably has a $6-$7 per unit cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Hmmm. I was able to license a record from deep elm and press 500 copies on colored vinyl at a more expensive plant and sell them for $11. The pressing may never sell out either. But yeah, $25 is reasonable for something that probably has a $6-$7 per unit cost. You were selling them for $11 post paid? My Paypal history doesn't go back that far, but I don't think so. The simple math is that if you were paying $6 per record from the plant (which I think is low after DE gets their cut), then paying $3-4 for shipping, and then whatever for packaging supplies, time, as gas, you were losing money. Gee...I wonder why the guy doesn't charge $11 shipped for the record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I think it came out to about $15 including shipping in the US. Obviously, I wasn't including shipping. You can buy boxes and tape in bulk and print labels at home. USPS will pick up from your house. Not that hard to get some of those costs down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 I think it came out to about $15 including shipping in the US. Obviously, I wasn't including shipping. You can buy boxes and tape in bulk and print labels at home. USPS will pick up from your house. Not that hard to get some of those costs down. But you're including the shipping costs for "Lost Songs". It's $20 without shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Okay. $11 ~ $20; $15 ~ $25. Why are you acting like you don't understand simple statements? How much further do I need to dumb it down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheriver Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Okay. $11 ~ $20; $15 ~ $25. Why are you acting like you don't understand simple statements? How much further do I need to dumb it down?I don't doubt that there is some unnecessary markup on these... but keep in mind you are assuming they got the exact same licensing deal that you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxmartinxx Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Okay. $11 ~ $20; $15 ~ $25. Why are you acting like you don't understand simple statements? How much further do I need to dumb it down? I just think you're misrepresenting numbers and, like dantheriver said, assuming that you and they received the same licensing deal. I maintain that $20 for a limited of 500 pressing of a record I've wanted to see in press for years is a fine deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I just think you're misrepresenting numbers and, like dantheriver said, assuming that you and they received the same licensing deal. I maintain that $20 for a limited of 500 pressing of a record I've wanted to see in press for years is a fine deal.It's a fine price, a little on the higher side. I bought it too, but I'm not sure why you're defending the price so hard. If people want it they'll buy it, but $20 for a single LP is a little steep. If it had even cost $18 plus shipping I wouldn't have even thought about it. Those $2 make a weirdly big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSRMatt Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 S'pose I felt the need to chime in on this discussion since it does, in large part, involve me. In the spirit of transparency I will elaborate a little on my costs. My per unit cost for Lost Songs is somewhere around $8. It will be more once I see final shipping costs from Pirates Press - likely very close to an additional $1 each. Per my agreement with John @ Deep Elm - licensing fees were 20% of gross profit (not sure how that was split up between the band and DE). So now I'm sitting at about $11.25 per unit, my cost. I am required to sell 50 copies to the band @ $10 each but you know what, fuck that, I offered to give the band their 50 copies free of charge (plus #'s 1-5 to the band members) because damn if they aren't one of the greatest bands to ever grace this green Earth. So add another $500 or so to my actual costs. Once you do the math you can see that I'm not exactly quitting my day job here. I'm not going to entertain the complaints about $5 domestic and $18 international shipping because, hey, that's what it costs to properly ship a record these days. I refuse to send an international record out on a boat for 2-3 weeks to save a few bucks on shipping. It's counter-intuitive. I don't re-use mailers, they are all new and there are no less than 6 sheets of bubble wrap in that mailer (or 2 cardboard dividers) protecting the record. I can't tell you how many times I've purchased a record, paid $4-5 and that shit is rattling around in the mailer, taking a complete beating. To reiterate what someone said earlier, I also wish this were a Graveface release because it's well-documented, Ryan is fronting the best damn label on the planet right now. However, I really didn't think there was any interest in the album and assumed it was never getting pressed so I took the risk. Yes, I view it as a risk because there's no guarantee these are going to sell out anytime soon because I do not have distribution nor do I wish to get involved with distributors who simply don't pay their bills. I'm sorry that a good many of you feel the asking price is expensive. I have a lot of time and effort into this release and when those 200+ pre-orders need to go out it's going to be me sitting in my office packing up each and every one of them, very carefully. I think the price is fair considering that I'd like to be able to keep the doors open to continue releasing music I love. Or at least be able to give myself a fighting chance, ya know? radiatorhums, batman, gmoney and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrodan Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 hopefully this satisfies dreamover. I personally really appreciate you making this album available on vinyl for the first time. good luck on selling out the pressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 S'pose I felt the need to chime in on this discussion since it does, in large part, involve me. In the spirit of transparency I will elaborate a little on my costs. My per unit cost for Lost Songs is somewhere around $8. It will be more once I see final shipping costs from Pirates Press - likely very close to an additional $1 each. Per my agreement with John @ Deep Elm - licensing fees were 20% of gross profit (not sure how that was split up between the band and DE). So now I'm sitting at about $11.25 per unit, my cost. I am required to sell 50 copies to the band @ $10 each but you know what, fuck that, I offered to give the band their 50 copies free of charge (plus #'s 1-5 to the band members) because damn if they aren't one of the greatest bands to ever grace this green Earth. So add another $500 or so to my actual costs. Once you do the math you can see that I'm not exactly quitting my day job here. I'm not going to entertain the complaints about $5 domestic and $18 international shipping because, hey, that's what it costs to properly ship a record these days. I refuse to send an international record out on a boat for 2-3 weeks to save a few bucks on shipping. It's counter-intuitive. I don't re-use mailers, they are all new and there are no less than 6 sheets of bubble wrap in that mailer (or 2 cardboard dividers) protecting the record. I can't tell you how many times I've purchased a record, paid $4-5 and that shit is rattling around in the mailer, taking a complete beating. To reiterate what someone said earlier, I also wish this were a Graveface release because it's well-documented, Ryan is fronting the best damn label on the planet right now. However, I really didn't think there was any interest in the album and assumed it was never getting pressed so I took the risk. Yes, I view it as a risk because there's no guarantee these are going to sell out anytime soon because I do not have distribution nor do I wish to get involved with distributors who simply don't pay their bills. I'm sorry that a good many of you feel the asking price is expensive. I have a lot of time and effort into this release and when those 200+ pre-orders need to go out it's going to be me sitting in my office packing up each and every one of them, very carefully. I think the price is fair considering that I'd like to be able to keep the doors open to continue releasing music I love. Or at least be able to give myself a fighting chance, ya know? I appreciate your hard work and transparency.I do hope that it arrives safely, because as I've said before in this thread, my LLO from you had a corner just smashed to bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetDramaKing17 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 S'pose I felt the need to chime in on this discussion since it does, in large part, involve me. In the spirit of transparency I will elaborate a little on my costs. My per unit cost for Lost Songs is somewhere around $8. It will be more once I see final shipping costs from Pirates Press - likely very close to an additional $1 each. Per my agreement with John @ Deep Elm - licensing fees were 20% of gross profit (not sure how that was split up between the band and DE). So now I'm sitting at about $11.25 per unit, my cost. I am required to sell 50 copies to the band @ $10 each but you know what, fuck that, I offered to give the band their 50 copies free of charge (plus #'s 1-5 to the band members) because damn if they aren't one of the greatest bands to ever grace this green Earth. So add another $500 or so to my actual costs. Once you do the math you can see that I'm not exactly quitting my day job here. I'm not going to entertain the complaints about $5 domestic and $18 international shipping because, hey, that's what it costs to properly ship a record these days. I refuse to send an international record out on a boat for 2-3 weeks to save a few bucks on shipping. It's counter-intuitive. I don't re-use mailers, they are all new and there are no less than 6 sheets of bubble wrap in that mailer (or 2 cardboard dividers) protecting the record. I can't tell you how many times I've purchased a record, paid $4-5 and that shit is rattling around in the mailer, taking a complete beating. To reiterate what someone said earlier, I also wish this were a Graveface release because it's well-documented, Ryan is fronting the best damn label on the planet right now. However, I really didn't think there was any interest in the album and assumed it was never getting pressed so I took the risk. Yes, I view it as a risk because there's no guarantee these are going to sell out anytime soon because I do not have distribution nor do I wish to get involved with distributors who simply don't pay their bills. I'm sorry that a good many of you feel the asking price is expensive. I have a lot of time and effort into this release and when those 200+ pre-orders need to go out it's going to be me sitting in my office packing up each and every one of them, very carefully. I think the price is fair considering that I'd like to be able to keep the doors open to continue releasing music I love. Or at least be able to give myself a fighting chance, ya know?[/quote I appreciate you doing it. No complaints on price. Said it earlier in the thread that Appleseed deserve more sales and recognition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiatorhums Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 As others have stated, the transparency is nice. I don't mind paying a little more for an LP if there is a good reason behind it. Thanks for the post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrocks Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 this place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 So uh...These shipping Monday or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distinctlydustin Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Do I want to buy this? Maybe. However, I have some questions. Anybody have it and heard the pressing? How many are left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Do I want to buy this? Maybe. However, I have some questions. Anybody have it and heard the pressing? How many are left? So uh...These shipping Monday or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheriver Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Have you heard it yet or not?!?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Have you heard it yet or not?!?!?!?Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mameeshkamowskwoz Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I got shipping notification today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSRMatt Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Do I want to buy this? Maybe. However, I have some questions. Anybody have it and heard the pressing? How many are left? You want to buy it. I have it on good authority that the records sound (and look) fantastic. They are about halfway gone. So uh...These shipping Monday or what? All orders will be shipped by mid next week. I've been getting about 30-40 of them out per night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 You want to buy it. I have it on good authority that the records sound (and look) fantastic. They are about halfway gone. All orders will be shipped by mid next week. I've been getting about 30-40 of them out per night. Right on, thanks dude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distinctlydustin Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 You want to buy it. I have it on good authority that the records sound (and look) fantastic. They are about halfway gone. All orders will be shipped by mid next week. I've been getting about 30-40 of them out per night. Ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boojie Horsie Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 what about the cassettes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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