dynamitekid Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Honestly, I don't think White Crosses is much better. When New Wave came out it just felt awful. I think for people who started with Reinventing (or earlier) it was really just so castrated (no pun intended). It felt boring, safe, lacking any of the fire that previous material had brought. White Crosses felt like one of those "well it isn't going to be worse than New Wave" situations with my expectations. I still spin White Crosses from time to time, however I very rarely put on New Wave. For what it's worth, the b-sides would have been my favorite songs on the album. If I may ask (and It doesn't matter to me, just curious) which was your first Against Me! album? This right here. I was so disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 what about Dear You by Jawbreaker? Love that album but complaining fan base calling them sell outs and other shit pretty much broke them up. I love New Wave. Like mertzrock, I got introduced on Searching for a Former Clarity and am not the biggest fan of their earlier stuff. Jet Black is one of the best songs ever written. People who don't like Dear You are chumps: kjkenney and skadaddy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjkenney Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Jet Black is one of the best songs ever written. People who don't like Dear You are chumps:agreed! That album is insanely good. Never got the hate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanRees Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 People who don't like Dear You are chumps: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Jet Black is one of the best songs ever written. People who don't like Dear You are chumps: Completely agree, although I've always had a soft spot for I Love You So Much It's Killing Us Both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NapalmBrain Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 agreed! That album is insanely good. Never got the hate I love it, but to longtime fans it was too glossy and poppy. It's just a different climate nowadays you wouldn't alienate a fan base doing that these days, but the term sellout isn't even really a thing anymore. That album aged insanely well, but maybe the world wasn't ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 but the term sellout isn't even really a thing anymore. Well obviously it is for some people in here. Maybe not the term per se, but the idea of evaluating music based on how well it fits the preferred genre rather than on how good it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Old pressings of this have been steadily popping up on discogs and the asking price keeps declining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glass realms Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I think the OG black vinyl pressing is still pretty rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I'm pretty sure most are the yellow variant with the CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredheart Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I enjoyed New Wave for what it was and still spin it from time to time. White crosses had me give up on the band. I didn't bother with transgender until a few months after it came out and heard a few tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slushy Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 what about Dear You by Jawbreaker? Love that album but complaining fan base calling them sell outs and other shit pretty much broke them up. Retrospectively, I think Dear You was a pretty earnest attempt at a major label debut, like they weren't trying to make a punk record that appealed to the masses and instead just completely shifted into alternative rock territory. Obviously at the time people were put off by the completely different vocal style and slicker production, and it's fair enough that they expressed their dislike through letters to the editor or whatever. I think the general consensus on that record changed when Jawbreaker really got a huge second wind and were picked up by a new lot of people who had grown up on glossy sounding mallpunk, and to them obviously there was nothing wrong with "emo" or "punk" music sounding that slick as it was a typical done thing by that point. Though even in a lot of those cases, Dear You was was what got them hooked and as they work their way through the discography, they end up way preferring the earlier records anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throughbeingcruel Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I prefer 24 Hour Revenge Therapy and Bivouac, and I'd never heard Jawbreaker till I was 16. But, I was also a teen gutterpunk, and thought even NOFX was too catchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Man, I bought Dear You the day it was released, and I hated it. I can't remember hating something more on first listen--and I adored pretty much all of Jawbreaker's previous output. Now, 20 years later (just shy by a week, it came out on Sept. 12, 1995), I absolutely love it. It's not their best musically, but the songwriting and the lyrics are so strong. It took me about 10 years to give Dear You a fair chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Oh, yeah, and New Wave is a terrific record. Someone dig up the old threads about it--we were having these same conversations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gutzonborglum Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Man, I bought Dear You the day it was released, and I hated it. I can't remember hating something more on first listen--and I adored pretty much all of Jawbreaker's previous output. Now, 20 years later (just shy by a week, it came out on Sept. 12, 1995), I absolutely love it. It's not their best musically, but the songwriting and the lyrics are so strong. It took me about 10 years to give Dear You a fair chance. Something about actually caring about an artist and listening to what they have to write/sing. May appear to be filtered through some machine, but at the end of the day, it's still them putting themselves into it. Jawbreaker and AM! Seem to be pretty apparent representations of that. I have yet to read a comment about someone saying they have given up or disowned either one of these groups. It's a testament, I believe, to what they can actually do. The people that bitch are still technically fans of them. They're fantastic artists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impact Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I think the OG black vinyl pressing is still pretty rare. It definitely is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 i'll get shot to bits here, but i really like New Wave. Yooooo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Oh, yeah, and New Wave is a terrific record. Someone dig up the old threads about it--we were having these same conversations. There are probably more I couldn't find, haha. http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/39-against-me-new-wave-on-vinyl/ http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/1831-against-me-new-wave-question/ http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/159-against-me-new-wave/ http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/6816-against-me-new-wave-lp/ http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/386-ben-lee-covers-against-mes-new-wave/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throughbeingcruel Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Glad I preordered this from Amazon when I did. It's been taken down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_James_Champ Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 It's definitely still available from amazon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throughbeingcruel Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 It's definitely still available from amazonYou're right. I'm on mobile, and somehow got to the CD listing. Then went to change the format and vinyl was unavailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This is now down to $22.99 on amazon: http://amzn.to/1O0GZbe Not sure when the price drop happened, but my order still shows $26.98, so I'll just re-order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_James_Champ Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 This is now down to $22.99 on amazon: http://amzn.to/1O0GZbe Not sure when the price drop happened, but my order still shows $26.98, so I'll just re-order. It'll change, just give it time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandw12786 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Any of you amazon shoppers get this one today? How's the pressing sound/look? Side note: has anyone ordered from asbestos before? I only got a PayPal receipt with my order, nothing from their website or anything (assuming that's the norm). Should I expect a shipping notification, or will this just show up one day like it's Christmas? Not complaining, just never ordered here before and didn't know what to expect, a lot of smaller stores do things differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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