eshame Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 i texted a friend from showbread and he hadn't heard anything about this so, take that for whatever it's worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Just another thought- I'm pretty sure the only way they can afford to license these albums and press them while keeping them at a "reasonable" price is to press them at 2000 units and do no vinyl mastering on them--straight digital-to-vinyl. That's what someone in-the-know with T&N told me awhile back. Yeah, with that manufacturing method, they're looking at less than $5/unit manufactured. I'm sure licensing isn't cheap, but even if it was $15/per unit (which would be absolutely insane), they're still making a decent profit for very little work. Regardless, digital-to-vinyl is not an excuse for how shitty these sounds. 90% of the reissues this board has in their collection are digital masters to vinyl, and these recent reissues might be the worst sounding and have the worst QC in my collection. I pressed "The Weak's End" and that record sounds good. Surprise! it wasn't pressed from an analog source. Somehow, after licensing, we were still able to sell them for like $13 at a quarter of the pressing run. somethingvinyl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dapeebs Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 Yeah, with that manufacturing method, they're looking at less than $5/unit manufactured. I'm sure licensing isn't cheap, but even if it was $15/per unit (which would be absolutely insane), they're still making a decent profit for very little work. Regardless, digital-to-vinyl is not an excuse for how shitty these sounds. 90% of the reissues this board has in their collection are digital masters to vinyl, and these recent reissues might be the worst sounding and have the worst QC in my collection. I pressed "The Weak's End" and that record sounds good. Surprise! it wasn't pressed from an analog source. Somehow, after licensing, we were still able to sell them for like $13 at a quarter of the pressing run.I've been meaning to ask you. How did you manage to get the rights to press that with T&N not even owning their own back catalog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distinctlydustin Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Awesome! Too bad it will probably be later SS stuff and not early stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throughbeingcruel Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Yeah, with that manufacturing method, they're looking at less than $5/unit manufactured. I'm sure licensing isn't cheap, but even if it was $15/per unit (which would be absolutely insane), they're still making a decent profit for very little work. Regardless, digital-to-vinyl is not an excuse for how shitty these sounds. 90% of the reissues this board has in their collection are digital masters to vinyl, and these recent reissues might be the worst sounding and have the worst QC in my collection. I pressed "The Weak's End" and that record sounds good. Surprise! it wasn't pressed from an analog source. Somehow, after licensing, we were still able to sell them for like $13 at a quarter of the pressing run.If you have any extra copies laying around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmhmm Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Yeah, with that manufacturing method, they're looking at less than $5/unit manufactured. I'm sure licensing isn't cheap, but even if it was $15/per unit (which would be absolutely insane), they're still making a decent profit for very little work. Regardless, digital-to-vinyl is not an excuse for how shitty these sounds. 90% of the reissues this board has in their collection are digital masters to vinyl, and these recent reissues might be the worst sounding and have the worst QC in my collection. I pressed "The Weak's End" and that record sounds good. Surprise! it wasn't pressed from an analog source. Somehow, after licensing, we were still able to sell them for like $13 at a quarter of the pressing run. Good points, I agree. I don't know specifics on how much the licensing costs but I hear it's pretty high--closer to your insane price/unit, if I had to guess. Regardless, that still leaves the question of quality. Maybe the label's sending in 192 kbps mp3s as their audio source. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I've been meaning to ask you. How did you manage to get the rights to press that with T&N not even owning their own back catalog? This was well before T&N sold their catalog. We had plans and verbal approval to press The Question but then, as soon as we were ready to do it (right after TWE was released), T&N said they were going to do it because TWE did so well. They never did, and sold the catalog a couple years later. If you have any extra copies laying around... They're all long gone, sorry. Good points, I agree. I don't know specifics on how much the licensing costs but I hear it's pretty high--closer to your insane price/unit, if I had to guess. Regardless, that still leaves the question of quality. Maybe the label's sending in 192 kbps mp3s as their audio source. Who knows. That wouldn't explain the issues with these pressings. There's just no quality control. These mastering issues should've been caught when test pressings were ran. It sounds like the manufacturing of the mothers/stampers is rushed or they have a shitty engineer doing it. T&N shouldn't be dumb enough to send mp3s for manufacturing. They probably send the actual CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummerboy032 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I've been meaning to ask you. How did you manage to get the rights to press that with T&N not even owning their own back catalog? Correct me if I'm wrong dreamover, but u released The Weaks End on vinyl wayyyy before TandN sold their back catolog. Also, on that note, I love my Weaks End and Brandston releases! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmhmm Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 That wouldn't explain the issues with these pressings. There's just no quality control. These mastering issues should've been caught when test pressings were ran. It sounds like the manufacturing of the mothers/stampers is rushed or they have a shitty engineer doing it. T&N shouldn't be dumb enough to send mp3s for manufacturing. They probably send the actual CD. I know, I was just being a bit ridiculous with my conjecturing--a little ridiculousness seems commensurate with all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distinctlydustin Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I would think we'd eventually see all Norma Jean's stuff repressed eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinylfilmaholic Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 My wallet is not going to be happy!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 My wallet is not going to be happy!!!! neither is your turntable or ears! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distinctlydustin Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 neither is your turntable or ears! Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawcody Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 This is a dream come true for me. It's such a dissapoontment that the quality of these pressings are probably going to be similar to that of the emery vinyl I just picked up. I suppose it's more about the nostalgia though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I suppose it's more about the nostalgia though. If that's the case, save some money and just listen to mp3s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No This Is Patrick Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Posting to follow, sorry for my copy cat thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinylfilmaholic Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 neither is your turntable or ears! I just put an AT440MLb on my table and tested out Freddie Mercury and the IGD was so much more tolerable if not completely gone. I'm fine with these as long as they keep them around $20 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlippingOut Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I just put an AT440MLb on my table and tested out Freddie Mercury and the IGD was so much more tolerable if not completely gone. I'm fine with these as long as they keep them around $20 each. You do know how T&N/SS operates right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetsuodaironman Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I just put an AT440MLb on my table and tested out Freddie Mercury and the IGD was so much more tolerable if not completely gone. I'm fine with these as long as they keep them around $20 each. Mark those up another 40% and you've got yerself a limited colored frisbee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindovermatter Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Licensing is not nearly as expensive as the apologists on this board want to assume. It seems like a huge number, but when you divide it between 2K units, it gets small pretty quickly. Assume that the pressing costs $8-9 and that the licensing is $10K. That only adds $5 to the unit cost. $10K is a HUUUUGGGEEE amount of money for licensing, FYI. Also, even if the source is digital, it just takes a decent lacquer job to avoid IGD. Doesn't add a dime to the cost of the pressing. brianmorgante and Fridge Fox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorgante Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Licensing is not nearly as expensive as the apologists on this board want to assume. It seems like a huge number, but when you divide it between 2K units, it gets small pretty quickly. Assume that the pressing costs $8-9 and that the licensing is $10K. That only adds $5 to the unit cost. $10K is a HUUUUGGGEEE amount of money for licensing, FYI. Also, even if the source is digital, it just takes a decent lacquer job to avoid IGD. Doesn't add a dime to the cost of the pressing. spittin truth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamdbz Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Reaaaaalllly hoping for all of the Chariot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayCauseDeath Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Are you rookies kidding me? I want another press of Beloved Failure On and a dead poetic! mikahmusic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Fox Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 spittin truth! Read this as "Spinnin truth" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlombardo Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Maybe 10 people would buy that. I say that with love And I with a dose of irony. mmhmm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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