jhulud Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 ...and so begins the record collecting snobs criticizing variant collecting and how other people choose to spend their own money. burkyburk, tape, elnombre91 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugazi Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Isn't this whole discussion at the end of the day completely irrelevant because it's peoples own money and no one forces anyone to buy anything? Fuck's sake.. Edited January 19, 2017 by fugazi 1876records 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1876records Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 hours ago, fugazi said: Isn't this whole discussion at the end of the day completely irrelevant because it's people's own money and no one forces anyone to buy anything? Fuck's sake.. Absolutely correct statement. Furthermore, a legendary band (known for artistic expression, creativity, and collaboration) decides to create... get this... MORE ART for their fans to enjoy. This art was done by other legendary artists like Florian Bertmer and John Baizley. I have been losing my damn mind over those two's creations for well over a decade. With this Jane Live project, people are purchasing art. They are not only supporting a band of four people, they are supporting hardworking artists that make their living based on what they create. I couldn't have ever concocted an idea this cool. With that said, I bought the Florian and Ashley Rose Couture editions. I am not a "completist," or "variant villian" but I am a man with large amounts of debt. 5 covers doesn't fit into my budget, but if it did, you'd damn well know I would have all 5 covers because I know where my money is going. Can we end this discussion now, please? tape, throwgncpr and Mattallurgist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhulud Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 @andysrobbins, I like your style... tape and 1876records 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbannon Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 1/18/2017 at 9:10 AM, Vucko said: ...um, ok. Let's play a gig. Hype it, record it, and then let's press it on vinyl and release it with 5 different covers so every variant looks like a different album. This way our most faithful fans will be so confused about which variant to buy and most likely end up buying all variants and pay us 100$ for one record(ing). And the best part is that we will sell out even faster! What you guys think? Yeah, great idea! Service the account, George Carlin style. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blood Moon project gets a similar treatment. Very mixed feelings here from a long time fan. I think I'm gonna quit supporting Converge... "Thanks." Thanks for your input, however your generalizations on motive are incorrect. As a band we decided to make limited covers ALONG w/ different vinyl colors of a release. It was really that simple of a concept. Typically we release anywhere from 3-5 different colors of a record just to do it (always have), with the same cover usually. This was just an alternative way to approach that idea. Ironically, doing so was very expensive (commissioning art from folks and doing small runs of 500 of each double LP with this limited packaging). It actually cost us MUCH more to do this than a traditional record to manufacture. All of us (including myself) collect records and cherish variants for the same reason bands make music, for the love of it. If maximum profit was the goal, then we are in the wrong game entirely. Thanks again. -J. throwgncpr, Mattallurgist, burkyburk and 22 others 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I was waiting for J to chime in. now everyone can move along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicondevil Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 End of stupid debate. Who's excited to hear this whole thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, lexicondevil said: End of stupid debate. Who's excited to hear this whole thing? Start to finish, multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throughbeingcruel Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Derek™ said: Start to finish, every day for the rest of my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1876records Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 gonna listen to Jane Live backwards, because I am certain there are subliminal messages about cash grabbing fans zaoza, Mattallurgist, throughbeingcruel and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpherson123 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'm going to chime in here and say that bands can make multiple variants of LP's. Its coming from the artists and they want a certain presentation for the release and that's up to them. If someone who is a fan of that band and wants to play the music on that record, they buy a copy of the record. If they buy more than one they might be someone who appreciates the variety. If they feel coerced by a band to buy more than one copy or "every variant" of a release simply because those variants EXIST, you may have some serious personal problems you need to work through regarding your sense of consumerism and financial proficiency. The vinyl culture is driven pretty heavily by nuts who need the rarest variant or every variant. This behavior and mindset is on display all over the internet. Some people are learning this behavior from others. Its not the artists fault. Exercise self control. 1876records and Eric_Matthews 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbannon Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Personally I like to own one copy of something that I want to own, and usually the rarest as I'm also a collector. I do have friends who are completists though for sure and get one of everything if possible of artists they enjoy. To each their own, thanks people. Eric_Matthews, brandy, 1876records and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicondevil Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, jbannon said: Personally I like to own one copy of something that I want to own, and usually the rarest as I'm also a collector. I do have friends who are completists though for sure and get one of everything if possible of artists they enjoy. To each their own, thanks people. I would guess your Converge collection would be pretty darn sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpherson123 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 47 minutes ago, jbannon said: Personally I like to own one copy of something that I want to own, and usually the rarest as I'm also a collector. I do have friends who are completists though for sure and get one of everything if possible of artists they enjoy. To each their own, thanks people. Then you, sir, are only one type of nut. I'm the nut who wants usually only one copy of a title and I desperately want it to be black, preferably less than 180 grams. If a title is likely to go out of print and it means a lot to me, I sometimes acquire a backup copy in case my play copy gets damaged through regular use. I have an extra copy of the Sleep's Holy Mountain repress from Earache last year that I use to DJ and I keep another at home. ...I also have an original 1992 press.. black.... I'm also kind of sick about getting original presses of certain titles. We're all a little sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbannon Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 53 minutes ago, lexicondevil said: I would guess your Converge collection would be pretty darn sweet! I actually don't have many Converge releases, as I give them to friends that want them, thanks. KingTacoMunster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwgncpr Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, mcpherson123 said: I'm the nut who wants usually only one copy of a title and I desperately want it to be black I am this species of nut. But I love how Converge/DW handled this release. (Thanks, dudes!) I can't wait to hold that Baizley cover while this record blasts at 11 on my system. elnombre91 and mcpherson123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blessedxcursed Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I like the Hooper one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1876records Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, jbannon said: Personally I like to own one copy of something that I want to own, and usually the rarest as I'm also a collector. I do have friends who are completists though for sure and get one of everything if possible of artists they enjoy. To each their own, thanks people. twinsies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethereal Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 there is a special place in hell reserved for people who cry like babies when they miss out on something limited and try to make everyone else that happens to enjoy the release feel bad for its limitations, inaccessibility, their own financial reasonings etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throughbeingcruel Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, jbannon said: I actually don't have many Converge releases, as I give them to friends that want them, thanks. I'm sure you've got a halo in a haystack though, right? Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 3 hours ago, jbannon said: Personally I like to own one copy of something that I want to own, and usually the rarest as I'm also a collector. . This is me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnombre91 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) As a massive converge fanboy who has spent over £500 on converge related tattoos (#humblebrag) I'm just really fucking stoked to pour over the packaging like I used to with CDs back in the day whilst enjoying the sweet sounds of one of the greatest albums of all time (imo) being performed live in its entirety. Regardless of your stance on variants and collecting them, as a community of vinyl nerds I think we should all be able to find common ground there. Apologies if that sounds ridiculous, I'm running on an adrenaline high after seeing TDEP. Edited January 19, 2017 by elnombre91 cemeterytapes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourning Wood Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 5 hours ago, jbannon said: If maximum profit was the goal, then we are in the wrong game entirely. I demand that you release your tax returns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamdbz Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Stoked about this release. Title track sounded incredible. Deathwish rules. Converge rules. Y'all rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemeterytapes Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 hours ago, elnombre91 said: As a massive converge fanboy who has spent over £500 on converge related tattoos (#humblebrag) I'm just really fucking stoked to pour over the packaging like I used to with CDs back in the day whilst enjoying the sweet sounds of one of the greatest albums of all time (imo) being performed live in its entirety. Regardless of your stance on variants and collecting them, as a community of vinyl nerds I think we should all be able to find common ground there. Apologies if that sounds ridiculous, I'm running on an adrenaline high after seeing TDEP. How was DEP? Saw them in Philly both times they came through in the fall and they were awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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