dynamitekid Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdwell Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Read this on friday. Pretty bummed out. Buuuuut, I'd much rather have someone healthy and happy than making music and playing shows they no longer care about and potentially puts them in harms way and potentially harming others. I know they were recording...wonder if that album will ever see the light of day Snaggle Von Swift 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Super bummer, but if this is what Ian needs to do to stay clean then he's gotta take of himself first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamitekid Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 " Until recently, I lacked the empathy to consider how my actions effected others, and this includes my relationships with women. I've been manipulative, acted in predatory ways, abused the artist-fan dynamic and hurt many people along the way by making them feel unsafe, violated and disrespected. " I don't like what's being hinted at here. Seems like some people are glossing over that part. Really makes it tough to ever want to listen to his music ever again. danthemjfan23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 45 minutes ago, dynamitekid said: " Until recently, I lacked the empathy to consider how my actions effected others, and this includes my relationships with women. I've been manipulative, acted in predatory ways, abused the artist-fan dynamic and hurt many people along the way by making them feel unsafe, violated and disrespected. " I don't like what's being hinted at here. Seems like some people are glossing over that part. Really makes it tough to ever want to listen to his music ever again. Yikes, I only read the first paragraph or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, dynamitekid said: " Until recently, I lacked the empathy to consider how my actions effected others, and this includes my relationships with women. I've been manipulative, acted in predatory ways, abused the artist-fan dynamic and hurt many people along the way by making them feel unsafe, violated and disrespected. " I don't like what's being hinted at here. Seems like some people are glossing over that part. Really makes it tough to ever want to listen to his music ever again. Without knowing any details I wouldn't want to make any assumptions. He is admitting he was a bad person but the severity of the actions isn't clear (mental, verbal, physical, sexual) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdwell Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, Tidal Wave said: Without knowing any details I wouldn't want to make any assumptions. He is admitting he was a bad person but the severity of the actions isn't clear (mental, verbal, physical, sexual) This. i definitely didn't gloss over any of this. super bummed that he can't do a band and remain clean and sober at once. not jazzed on the implications of what might've happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamitekid Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 20 hours ago, Tidal Wave said: Without knowing any details I wouldn't want to make any assumptions. He is admitting he was a bad person but the severity of the actions isn't clear (mental, verbal, physical, sexual) You are correct. It's just hard not to make assumptions when their Facebook page (i know, i know. its not a news source but still) has many comments on it of people that can confirm his actions and have specific stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Yeah...yikes. Somewhere in here is a line that isn't super well defined. at first I sort of read it as him saying he recognizes this behavior in himself and is working to eradicate it. Which, kudos I guess. It's part of learning and growing. But the implication is that he's done something ugly someone else is going to have to live with and that...too much. i will freely admit that my reading of this was very much colored by my past experiences with Ian and Adam, which have all been very positive. dynamitekid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynamitekid Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 20 hours ago, steventangent said: Yeah...yikes. Somewhere in here is a line that isn't super well defined. at first I sort of read it as him saying he recognizes this behavior in himself and is working to eradicate it. Which, kudos I guess. It's part of learning and growing. But the implication is that he's done something ugly someone else is going to have to live with and that...too much. i will freely admit that my reading of this was very much colored by my past experiences with Ian and Adam, which have all been very positive. I mean...I don't want to believe that he's a bad person. But I don't think I can take the side of a person manipulated and acted in a predatory manner toward women. I feel like being supportive of him and ignoring those that were effected is part of the reason why women are afraid to come forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Yeah, I mean, pretty much fuck that guy for what is implied here. I don't need the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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