ghostea Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I'm trying to somehow think of a way that there might possibly be a CD headed my way but I highly doubt it... A friend of mine in Germany got one today, and I'm in the southern US so it would probably be here by now. Oh well, at least I got the """""very limited""""" vinyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooks Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, ghostea said: I'm trying to somehow think of a way that there might possibly be a CD headed my way but I highly doubt it... A friend of mine in Germany got one today, and I'm in the southern US so it would probably be here by now. Oh well, at least I got the """""very limited""""" vinyl. """"""couldn't agree more"""""" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeJoe Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Wait is desert an anti gay song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooks Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DafTyler said: Wait is desert an anti gay song? It's an anti-bible thumper song. It's from the point of view of a "pious" or religious man who is wary of the outside world's influence on the "righteous" man he is raising. Talking about how he's ready for liberal bleeding hearts to come and take away his freedoms and he'll shoot 'em if they try. Quote I got my faith, I got my family I got a wire fence around my whole stake If I believe only half what I read I got a reason to be dug in deep All he's got is faith and family, and he's protecting his family and land from the dangers of the liberals! He only believes the half of what he reads that fits his ideology and so he digs in deep on his arguments without seeing the other side. Quote I seen those boys kissing boys With their mouth in the street But I raised my son to be a righteous man I made it clear to him what fear of God means I'd hold him down on the Tompkins Lake Before I ever let him go to the wolves The path we walk is only narrow and straight No son of mine will wander astray Abomination He raised his son to be righteous and fear God (who hates gays!) - the path that he and his son will walk is narrow and straight and he won't let his son go astray (or he'll disown him hence the "don't come running to me when the come for you" hinting that the son disagrees with his father on this stuff. Quote Last night I heard a voice that said, “Don't give up your gun” They keep washing right up on those shores Man they're gathering their numbers up Those bleeding hearts come marching down my road Well I'll be waiting right here at my door It's a lie to say it wouldn't be fun If you're joining them then I got one With your name on it Scared to give up his gun because he has to defend himself from the big gay army! the bleeding hearts are gonna come and lead his son astray. And if his son joins them, he'll put a bullet in him. The POV in the song is from the "righteous" father, but the focus is the son who has gone "astray" (in the fathers' eyes). Edited August 21, 2017 by rooks Dashhax, whoa, OrangeJoe and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashhax Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Beautifully summarized rooks. 9 minutes ago, rooks said: It's an anti-bible thumper song. It's from the point of view of a "pious" or religious man who is wary of the outside world's influence on the "righteous" man he is raising. Talking about how he's ready for liberal bleeding hearts to come and take away his freedoms and he'll shoot 'em if they try. All he's got is faith and family, and he's protecting his family and land from the dangers of the liberals! He only believes the half of what he reads that fits his ideology and so he digs in deep on his arguments without seeing the other side. He raised his son to be righteous and fear God (who hates gays!) - the path that he and his son will walk is narrow and straight and he won't let his son go astray (or he'll disown him hence the "don't come running to me when the come for you" hinting that the son disagrees with his father on this stuff. Scared to give up his gun because he has to defend himself from the big gay army! the bleeding hearts are gonna come and lead his son astray. And if his son joins them, he'll put a bullet in him. The POV in the song is from the "righteous" father, but the focus is the son who has gone "astray" (in the fathers' eyes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeJoe Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, rooks said: It's an anti-bible thumper song. It's from the point of view of a "pious" or religious man who is wary of the outside world's influence on the "righteous" man he is raising. Talking about how he's ready for liberal bleeding hearts to come and take away his freedoms and he'll shoot 'em if they try. All he's got is faith and family, and he's protecting his family and land from the dangers of the liberals! He only believes the half of what he reads that fits his ideology and so he digs in deep on his arguments without seeing the other side. He raised his son to be righteous and fear God (who hates gays!) - the path that he and his son will walk is narrow and straight and he won't let his son go astray (or he'll disown him hence the "don't come running to me when the come for you" hinting that the son disagrees with his father on this stuff. Scared to give up his gun because he has to defend himself from the big gay army! the bleeding hearts are gonna come and lead his son astray. And if his son joins them, he'll put a bullet in him. The POV in the song is from the "righteous" father, but the focus is the son who has gone "astray" (in the fathers' eyes). That was kinda the vibe i was getting too. I just wanted someone to say it too haha. The last lyric is just what threw me off i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 been listening to this a ton. fav tracks: lit me up, can't get it out, same logic/teeth least fav: desert, 451 THE_James_Champ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuck Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, batman said: been listening to this a ton. fav tracks: lit me up, can't get it out, same logic/teeth least fav: desert, 451 Haven't seen a lot of people listing Can't Get It Out as one of there favorites, but it's easily mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivions Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, zuck said: Haven't seen a lot of people listing Can't Get It Out as one of there favorites, but it's easily mine. is that the 2nd track? If so, that is perfect BN to me. Moody but still fun. Grungey but still nu-emo/pop-punk whatever you wanna call it. I wish they'd release a whole album of just upbeat Nirvana-Morriss-emo fun songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrodan Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 the guitar effect in Out of Mana is one of the coolest things I have ever heard. this album fucking rules so hard. definitely shocked I am enjoying it as much as I am. sent my friend a link to Out of Mana and he was all, "I hate brand new, sorry" and I told him please just give it a try. 6 minutes later he messages me and says, "ok, that was cool." haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogeoa8 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, rooks said: It's an anti-bible thumper song. It's from the point of view of a "pious" or religious man who is wary of the outside world's influence on the "righteous" man he is raising. Talking about how he's ready for liberal bleeding hearts to come and take away his freedoms and he'll shoot 'em if they try. All he's got is faith and family, and he's protecting his family and land from the dangers of the liberals! He only believes the half of what he reads that fits his ideology and so he digs in deep on his arguments without seeing the other side. He raised his son to be righteous and fear God (who hates gays!) - the path that he and his son will walk is narrow and straight and he won't let his son go astray (or he'll disown him hence the "don't come running to me when the come for you" hinting that the son disagrees with his father on this stuff. Scared to give up his gun because he has to defend himself from the big gay army! the bleeding hearts are gonna come and lead his son astray. And if his son joins them, he'll put a bullet in him. The POV in the song is from the "righteous" father, but the focus is the son who has gone "astray" (in the fathers' eyes). I agree with how you've classified the song, but it in no way explains how Brand New wrote it. The lyrics simply do not fit any of their previous catalogue, in any way (style or substance). the most blatant lyrics theyve ever written, and the only song of theirs that reminds me what year it is when listening to it (references to "bleeding hearts" etc). very out of character Edited August 21, 2017 by rogeoa8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooks Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 minute ago, rogeoa8 said: I agree with how you've classified the song, but it in no way explains how Brand New wrote it. The lyrics simply do not fit any of their previous catalogue, in any way. Good thing no one asked the question that I didn't answer, then! And, it also does fit in thematically and lyrically with some of their other stuff. Brother's Song for example. They rarely branch off into the political, I'll grant you that... but the political/religious rhetoric has been heavy in Brand New's last 4 releases (including the demos and SF). THE_James_Champ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuck Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, richardsurf said: is that the 2nd track? If so, that is perfect BN to me. Moody but still fun. Grungey but still nu-emo/pop-punk whatever you wanna call it. I wish they'd release a whole album of just upbeat Nirvana-Morriss-emo fun songs. Yeah, that's the one. Makes me smile every time it starts playing. THE_James_Champ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogeoa8 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Just now, rooks said: Good thing no one asked the question that I didn't answer, then! And, it also does fit in thematically and lyrically with some of their other stuff. Brother's Song for example. They rarely branch off into the political, I'll grant you that... but the political/religious rhetoric has been heavy in Brand New's last 4 releases (including the demos and SF). Oh yeah wasn't blaming you, just kind of exclaiming that rhetorically, because after digging deep into what (I think) are some of the themes of TDAG and their previous work, I initially thought the song was more likely to be genuine than satirical (not the right word), which obviously baffled me due to the directness of the lyrics. Was thinking "good thing they have their own label" if the lyrics were genuine, cause divergent political views are a death sentence in this industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_James_Champ Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) I have listened to this basically all weekend. I love how well it flows. I want to know the story of the opening dialogue. Is it from a real tape, or just something made for the album... Edited August 21, 2017 by THE_James_Champ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooks Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Just now, rogeoa8 said: Oh yeah wasn't blaming you, just kind of exclaiming that rhetorically, because after digging deep into what (I think) are some of the themes of TDAG and their previous work, I initially thought the song was more likely to be genuine than satirical (not the right word), which obviously baffled me due to the directness of the lyrics. Was thinking "good thing they have their own label" if the lyrics were genuine, cause divergent political views are a death sentence in this industry. The last line in the song is "God is Love". I'm not going to deep dive on it too much because I'm no expert in every lyrics of Brand New's and I don't have the time atm to dig into each - but over the past couple of releases Jesse has made it clear that he has issues with the Roman Catholic/Judeo-Christian upbringing he had and how he was taught to understand and deal with God. There has been a ton of lyrics over those releases rejecting the ideas of the bible, or fearing God, or God/Jesus doing these miraculous things but also hinting towards some acceptance of the IDEA of a 'God'. My guess is they wrote a song because they hate how the bible-thumping demographic uses God to preach fear/hate - where they/he sees God as love. OR - the last line is 'God is Love' is still from the point of view of the "righteous" father and it's further pointing out how categorically contradictory his ideals are. If you're joining them then I got one With your name on it Don't come running to me, when they're coming for you. God is Love. I can't pretend to know what was really going on during the writing process, but these feelings have been hinted at pretty heavily over the past 4 releases. Just my 2 cents. rogeoa8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, richardsurf said: is that the 2nd track? If so, that is perfect BN to me. Moody but still fun. Grungey but still nu-emo/pop-punk whatever you wanna call it. I wish they'd release a whole album of just upbeat Nirvana-Morriss-emo fun songs. exactly why it's up there for me. plus the line 'got my messiah impression, i think i got it nailed down' made me chuckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
januarytwenty Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Favorite songs: Can't Get It Out, No Control, Batter Up, Out of Mana Least Favorite: 451, Desert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoa Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I actually like 451, it's a little bit infectious like a Kesha banger. tape 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooks Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, whoa said: I actually like 451, it's a little bit infectious like a Kesha banger. I was so close to liking this, but then you done goofed. Ya'll are fuckin up for real though, because 451 is pretty baller. My guess is anyone who sees them on this tour will have a change of heart because that track is gonna be brutal live. Edited August 21, 2017 by rooks Blumplum, DecayToDeath and whoa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivions Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 27 minutes ago, januarytwenty said: Favorite songs: Can't Get It Out, No Control, Batter Up, Out of Mana Least Favorite: 451, Desert Can't Get It Out and No Control are the standouts for me. 451 is the only one I really really dislike. It's unpleasant in a way that is not entertaining or engaging and the mental image of the band *really* getting into it and a random guy running on stage and playing discordant trumpet during the climax doesn't move the meter for me. The fishes song makes me cringe but sometimes I zone out and miss the specific moments that give me that cringe, so it's not as frustrating as 451. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 The people harping on 451 are probably a lot of fun at parties. Tommy, Rip and tape 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deafening Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I had to do a double take to make sure Batter Up was getting the love it deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivions Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Is it a party where everyone is stomping around telling each other how important the blues are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckthriceck Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Standouts: Lit Me Up, Can't Get It Out, Waste, Same Logic/Teeth, 137, No Control. Pretty good: rest of the album. Really nothing bad or unlikeable about this album. Even the songs I'm not as invested in like 451 or Could Never Be Heaven are still great. I'd say Lit Me Up, Waste, and 137 are the favorites though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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