Shelby Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Mourning Wood said: So you’re saying that if a musician is, say, a wife-beaters, a Nazi, a member of KKK, etc., if you liked the music, your cool with that? Wow. I don't like Kanye but your comparison is horrible and you should feel bad. He's crazy not evil. Tommy and Rip 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetsuodaironman Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mourning Wood said: So you’re saying that if a musician is, say, a wife-beaters, a Nazi, a member of KKK, etc., if you liked the music, your cool with that? Wow. Sit on your hands when you get the urge to type because this is going nowhere fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reshiram Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 If Nas, who's political views almost mirror Kanye's, can do a whole album with the man, then you, the consumer, should shut the fuck up and enjoy the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Mourning Wood said: So you’re saying that if a musician is, say, a wife-beaters, a Nazi, a member of KKK, etc., if you liked the music, your cool with that? Wow. Dooooo...you listen to: The Beatles (Lennon beat his wife), Chuck Berry (violent, videotaped women in his restaurant's bathroom, transported a 14 year old across state lines to have sex with her), Elvis (young girls), CeeLo (rape, his views on consent), Cake (drummer is a convicted pedo), Rolling Stones (young girls again), Miles Davis (abuser), The Smiths (Morrissey is pretty much a racist asshole), James Brown (abuser), Bowie (14 year old girl[in his 30s], former fascist). Pretty much all worse than supporting a idiot president that nearly half the country voted for. pizza face and RowBearToe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyFrosted Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ishtar said: Dooooo...you listen to: The Beatles (Lennon beat his wife), Chuck Berry (violent, videotaped women in his restaurant's bathroom, transported a 14 year old across state lines to have sex with her), Elvis (young girls), CeeLo (rape, his views on consent), Cake (drummer is a convicted pedo) ...wait, what? Cake? *quickly googles* Aw shit, man. Shit shit shit. It's almost as bad as the lostprophets guy. Except with a band I kinda sorta like sometimes. Not to mention Michael Jackson, R Kelly, all that stuff. And the Brand New guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecayToDeath Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 59 minutes ago, Mourning Wood said: So you’re saying that if a musician is, say, a wife-beaters, a Nazi, a member of KKK, etc., if you liked the music, your cool with that? Wow. Being cool with music is not the same as being cool with a person OneThreeOneTwo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatsNJazz Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Mourning Wood said: So you’re saying that if a musician is, say, a wife-beaters, a Nazi, a member of KKK, etc., if you liked the music, your cool with that? Wow. Are you comparing all that to someone who supports a dumb president? Wow pizza face 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourning Wood Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 So everyone here also thinks it was wrong to cancel the Roseanne show, because what she does or says as a person is one thing and the show was a separate matter? pizza face 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatsNJazz Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mourning Wood said: So everyone here also thinks it was wrong to cancel the Roseanne show, because what she does or says as a person is one thing and the show was a separate matter? That is not relevant to what I originally stated at all. If Roseanne said she supported Trump does that mean all her democratic liberal fans can no longer enjoy her show? No, that's fucking stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuck Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mourning Wood said: So everyone here also thinks it was wrong to cancel the Roseanne show, because what she does or says as a person is one thing and the show was a separate matter? Not necessarily. I think what most people are getting at is they still might be able to enjoy the show itself, regardless of how ignorant she is in real life. Might not be a great example though, as I doubt there are many Nas/Kanye fans who watch Roseanne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetsuodaironman Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Real talk though, the album cover from Nasir was shot in South Dallas in '88 by Mary Ellen Mark. Great photograph. Rip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyFrosted Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 46 minutes ago, Mourning Wood said: So everyone here also thinks it was wrong to cancel the Roseanne show, because what she does or says as a person is one thing and the show was a separate matter? Roseanne shoulda been a little smarter. Given the 'political climate' of valuable entertainment figures being toppled in public for past actions with swift and painful consequences, tweeting some racist shit wasn't very bright. You can't cancel Roseanne because she's racist - you can, as a company, choose to distance yourself from what is publicly tainted and of now questionable profitability. It's a good idea now. But you can still watch Roseanne and not be a supporter of racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mourning Wood said: So everyone here also thinks it was wrong to cancel the Roseanne show, because what she does or says as a person is one thing and the show was a separate matter? I think people should be able to say whatever they want as long as they realize they'll have to suffer the consequences of whatever they say. Typically though, people in the groups you brought up are very different than someone who supports our government or specific people therein. It's shitty that she said those things, but it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of seeing John Goodman on TV again, so if that show had been at all well written I would have continued watching it. I stopped prior to the whole Twitter thing though be ause it seemed like no one bothered to even learn their lines. Edited June 17, 2018 by Ishtar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatsNJazz Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, HoneyFrosted said: Given the 'political climate' of valuable entertainment figures being toppled in public for past actions with swift and painful consequences By 'Political Climate' You mean the bullshit Social Justice Warrior Hive Mind of 2018 that prevents anybody from being able to form their own opinions about art, because music media/social media says that Kanye West is a bad person for supporting Trump, now they are afraid to have an opinion differs from the political views of certain groups of people, and they can't even think to listen to someone who has opposing political views because their head is so far up their ass? OneThreeOneTwo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyFrosted Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, CatsNJazz said: By 'Political Climate' You mean the bullshit Social Justice Warrior Hive Mind of 2018 that prevents anybody from being able to form their own opinions about art, because music media/social media says that Kanye West is a bad person for supporting Trump, now they are afraid to have an opinion differs from the political views of certain groups of people, and they can't even think to listen to someone who has opposing political views because their head is so far up their ass? Nah. That's not what I meant. I meant Cosby, Weinstein, Louis C.K. Careers ruined at the drop of a hat. Anyone in showbiz smart enough is keeping their racism to themselves. Whatever you want to call it is fine. EDIT: I realize those are all sex-related while Roseanne's is not, but it still had the same backlash. Roseanne wasn't fired for having an 'opposing political view'. Edited June 17, 2018 by HoneyFrosted OneThreeOneTwo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatsNJazz Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, HoneyFrosted said: Nah. That's not what I meant. I meant Cosby, Weinstein, Louis C.K. Careers ruined at the drop of a hat. Anyone in showbiz smart enough is keeping their racism to themselves. Whatever you want to call it is fine. EDIT: I realize those are all sex-related while Roseanne's is not, but it still had the same backlash. Roseanne wasn't fired for having an 'opposing political view'. That's understandable, but my original argument in this thread was strictly about how one user on here said 'anything kanye works on should be considered garbage, because he supports trump', then he switched his argument to abusive/racist celebrities, pretty much putting them all in the same boat, and ignoring his own original argument, then he again switched it to focus on Roseanne, which is completely irrelevant to the debate I'm having, which is now the 'Hive Mind' thing I was referring to, cause homie is losing the battle and is clinging to whatever nonsense he thinks will support his bogus claim of 'anything kanye related is now garbage', but I've put enough energy into this pointless battle so I'll see myself out, I'm just trying to enlighten some folks on being able to think for themselves, cause it seems like a lot of people on the internet are struggling with that these days. But yeah, new Nas album, it's good, and I'm not letting the fact kanye produced it sway my opinion on it because he has different political views from my own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourning Wood Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 In the minds of a lot of people around the world supporting Trump is thought of as being as bad if not worse than being some random wife beater, Nazi, Klansman, racist tweeter or reddit user. Outside of the world of Fox News, Trump is widely regarded as a racist and an enabler of racists, a misogynist and a man who said any number of totally crude and indefensible things on the way to becoming president. Supporting Trump is saying “I’m ok with all that.” Kanye is ok with all that, apparently. Also, the thing where Kanye said that African Americans are responsible or partly responsible for slavery is beyond dumb and moves into being dangerous. It seems like people are wondering if Kanye should be punished in some way, made an example of in some way, for having these ideas that are way outside the mainstream (supporting Trump is outside the mainstream.) should his art be rejected and denigrated simply because he has come out in favor of the Trump atrocity? A lot of people think yes, it should. But what if he gets a pass? What does that mean? What even worse thing could come of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 I dunno if it's cuz I'm not the target audience but I think this is the worst of the 4 produced so far. Nas' vocals are way too loud in the mix too. There's a few good tracks but I don't see myself trying to listen to it more than one or two more times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyFrosted Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Affiliation with Trump has more ramifications than ever, especially considering current news that is probably way way out of topic's range. Anyway. I was trying to get at the point of political leanings not having an effect on the listener's critical reaction to the music - if it's good, it's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reshiram Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, ✦ S U N S H I N E ✦ 日 光 ♡♡ said: I dunno if it's cuz I'm not the target audience but I think this is the worst of the 4 produced so far. Nas' vocals are way too loud in the mix too. There's a few good tracks but I don't see myself trying to listen to it more than one or two more times. I think ye is the worst produced album. I haven't listened to Nasir yet in my good headphones, but in the car I think Nasir sounds really well mixed. However, I really dislike Mike Dean's engineering, and I'm never satisfied with his work. He's a great producer/musician though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkrtz Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, ✦ S U N S H I N E ✦ 日 光 ♡♡ said: I dunno if it's cuz I'm not the target audience but I think this is the worst of the 4 produced so far. Nas' vocals are way too loud in the mix too. There's a few good tracks but I don't see myself trying to listen to it more than one or two more times. I really like the production on a few tracks but I'm not used to Nas' vocals and I'm trying to see if it's gonna grow on me. It's definitely bod bad at all though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatsNJazz Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, ✦ S U N S H I N E ✦ 日 光 ♡♡ said: I dunno if it's cuz I'm not the target audience but I think this is the worst of the 4 produced so far. Nas' vocals are way too loud in the mix too. There's a few good tracks but I don't see myself trying to listen to it more than one or two more times. I think the production is minimal and mixed low because Nas is going in on the verses and he wanted everything to be heard clearly. That's just my impression though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I meant of the Kanye produced albums and wasnt referring to the actual production other than how loud he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustSchwimmer Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 So far out of these albums is goes Pusha>Nas>>Kids See Ghosts>>>Ye but I honestly have enjoyed all 4. Crazy good summer for music. CatsNJazz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 2 hours ago, CatsNJazz said: That's understandable, but my original argument in this thread was strictly about how one user on here said 'anything kanye works on should be considered garbage, because he supports trump', then he switched his argument to abusive/racist celebrities, pretty much putting them all in the same boat, and ignoring his own original argument, then he again switched it to focus on Roseanne, which is completely irrelevant to the debate I'm having, which is now the 'Hive Mind' thing I was referring to, cause homie is losing the battle and is clinging to whatever nonsense he thinks will support his bogus claim of 'anything kanye related is now garbage', but I've put enough energy into this pointless battle so I'll see myself out, I'm just trying to enlighten some folks on being able to think for themselves, cause it seems like a lot of people on the internet are struggling with that these days. But yeah, new Nas album, it's good, and I'm not letting the fact kanye produced it sway my opinion on it because he has different political views from my own I think it's just one guy in here even arguing the opposite side. You may have just misread or misunderstood what other people are saying. Besides, choosing one thing about a person and then refusing to give them a say/chance/merit is about as fascist/prejudiced as it gets, @Mourning Wood can talk his bullshit elsewhere. Just ignore him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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