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47 minutes ago, MachoHommeRandallSauvage said:

Yeah! Nothing says money grab like something...damaged in transit, being no real fault of the people who made it.

It kind of is their fault. The paper used is extremely thin. Mine also split and it only went 100 miles from them. For what we paid, the quality of the product should be better.

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8 minutes ago, N8TRU1 said:

It kind of is their fault. The paper used is extremely thin. Mine also split and it only went 100 miles from them. For what we paid, the quality of the product should be better.

It's not really their fault though. It's paper. It splits. It's pretty expected for inners to split in shipping. I'd imagine the license for this was pretty expensive and the runs were low, thus the high price. Was it more than it should have been? Probably. Is the inner being split indicative of a cash grab? No wayyyy.

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50 minutes ago, MachoHommeRandallSauvage said:

It's not really their fault though. It's paper. It splits. It's pretty expected for inners to split in shipping. I'd imagine the license for this was pretty expensive and the runs were low, thus the high price. Was it more than it should have been? Probably. Is the inner being split indicative of a cash grab? No wayyyy.

The paper isn't even as thick as a magazine cover and even the jacket feels flimsy as hell, which was also split. They're on their third variant of thier pressing at the moment so I believe that brings their licensing up to 2500 or 3000.  Also, it's a brand new record label and I couldn't find any of their info online. 

 

Also, it's not like I'm asking for a replacement, I'm just complaining about a product that I purchased. Consumers are allowed to do that. 

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5 hours ago, ZeroNowhere said:

Mine arrived today.  Looks awesome, but I wish they had gone with an insert instead of a thin printed inner sleeve.  They almost always split on the sides or bottom and then it looks crappy.  I know it's a trivial complaint, but if a label is doing a printed inner sleeve they should spend the extra money on a plain paper sleeve to put it in during shipping.  I can't believe I'm complaining about this.  I need to go sit in time out and reflect on my life.

first press had a printed inner sleeve, too. not that it justifies doing it again but i'm not surprised.

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1 hour ago, Buffbloom said:

The paper isn't even as thick as a magazine cover and even the jacket feels flimsy as hell, which was also split. They're on their third variant of thier pressing at the moment so I believe that brings their licensing up to 2500 or 3000.  Also, it's a brand new record label and I couldn't find any of their info online. 

 

Also, it's not like I'm asking for a replacement, I'm just complaining about a product that I purchased. Consumers are allowed to do that. 

You're totally allowed to complain, but as you said, they're new to this.

Had the paper been thicker it still might have ripped, it's paper after all.

As a fellow human I'm also allowed to point out when you say something silly, and while I agree this could be a cash grab, the reason you pointed out, an inner sleeve being torn during shipping, in no way points to that. You just need to make your complaints make sense if you want them to be taken seriously. Take it up with them if you want. If they're new to this they'll probably appreciate the feedback. Like I said though, make your arguments coherent.

 

Even what you're saying here about the licensing isn't an argument for this being a cash grab. You said they're on the third pressing. Three small pressings costs them more than one large one, and a license to make a larger number typically costs more than to make a small number unless it's based on a timeline rather than a numbered allotment.

 

Again, I agree the price was a little steep for this considering what is coming in, but for a first foray into this and the start up costs involved I don't really see cash grab.

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This 100% is not Creep’s first release.

https://www.discogs.com/label/45821-Creep-Records

http://creeprecords.com/record-label

That’s not going to make any of you feel better about the quality of this release. But obviously, yes the licensing fees were probabaly high and they knew the demand was there so they set a high price to maximize their profit. Everyone here wanted this bad enough to pay the price not knowing shit about the potential quality of the product/history of the label. So I guess you either be glad to have some version and move on or sell the shit and seek out an earlier pressing. No need to keep bickering over whether or whether or not there should have been seam splits and fancier paper. 

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15 minutes ago, dantheriver said:

This 100% is not Creep’s first release.

https://www.discogs.com/label/45821-Creep-Records

http://creeprecords.com/record-label

That’s not going to make any of you feel better about the quality of this release. But obviously, yes the licensing fees were probabaly high and they knew the demand was there so they set a high price to maximize their profit. Everyone here wanted this bad enough to pay the price not knowing shit about the potential quality of the product/history of the label. So I guess you either be glad to have some version and move on or sell the shit and seek out an earlier pressing. No need to keep bickering over whether or whether or not there should have been seam splits and fancier paper. 

Apparently it wasn't done by Creep? 

https://www.discogs.com/Every-Time-I-Die-Hot-Damn/release/13349336

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5 hours ago, Buffbloom said:

Oh wow, so Creep is just the exclusive retailer... very strange. Maybe it’s someone that is close with them starting up a label and they offered to help out with the online/mail order side of things? Oh well, never mind then. I guess go on with the bickering about splits and thickness.

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47 minutes ago, ZeroNowhere said:

If it's expected, then don't do it.  I work for a manufacturer, and if we knew something like this could or would happen to one of our products during shipping we'd make changes.  Or, if we found out it was happening after the fact, we would pull the run and make changes to remedy the issue.  Retailers would ultimately bitch as well as consumers once the product was received, and they'd have to deal with returns and likely stop carrying the product.  If it's known to be a defective way of doing something, I don't get why it keeps getting done incorrectly time and time again.  If people are willing to buy something that's expensive that's been done half-assed and put up with it because it's expected, then so be it.  I was just pointing out how I would suggest doing it to prevent damage to a portion of the end product since this has to be a known issue with printed inner sleeves.  

Oh, trust me, I'd love if people put records only in paper inners for shipping. It would be great. Anyone who has purchased records for any amount of time knows that inners split though, and lots of people make printed inners. It's part of the hobby that you know you're probably going to get split inner sleeves at some point.

 

I think people are missing the point of my initial post though, and that is: homeboy called this a cash grab specifically because he got a split inner sleeve which is the most absolutely ridiculous reason to call something a cash grab of all time.

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18 minutes ago, ZeroNowhere said:

I didn't miss that point, I just glossed over it because it's far from truth.  This a hobby, and it has become a more and more expensive hobby as time goes on because labels and bands are realizing it's a way to capture revenue off of a physical sale among many other factors.  Everyone has to eat.  $31 shipped for this record wasn't terrible given today's market.  It's not balls to the wall deluxe packaging by any means, but given the demand, it beats the shit out of paying aftermarket prices for an OG.

Are you going to stop buying any records that come with printed inners though? Because you know that's the only way to really stop the practice.

And I did suggest that buffbloom take up his issue with the label if he's that irked by it. I suggest the same to you.

 

I must be missing your point in this post, because it sounds like you're ok with the packaging, vs your previous post, which claimed "this practice needs to change if it's a known issue." Like I said though. Unless consumers demand a change to no printed inners ever and stop buying records that come with them (never going to happen), then labels aren't going to stop doing things the way they've been doing the  forever.

 

I definitely don't have an issue with you complaining about it in the first place. It was the implication of BBs post that I took issue with. When we speak or type, the way we say things is important.

 

I also think that sometimes people don't think about the cost of doing business, especially for a startup so I'm glad you realize that. We gave two families the cost of my services at work recently for free, and I know they didn't realize they got around $6k in services/merchandise each at no cost just because they were in a tough position financially.

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33 minutes ago, ZeroNowhere said:

I didn't change my opinion, I just glossed over BB's  point of cash grab b/c I didn't feel it was a cash grab, I just felt it was a run of the mill pressing that had its flaws which could easily be remedied.  That's all.  If somehow my language in my 2nd post confused that point, then so be it.  I've said enough, moving on.

Right on. I think we're on the same page.

 

 

To get us back on track...has anyone listened to this yet? How does it sound?

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I always really liked "hit of the search party" and "pornogratherapy", such killer tracks to cap off the album and I feel they never got any love. I've never seen those tracks played live and on YouTube I saw a guy with a "hotsp"guitar cover with less than 1k views. 

 

I really hope someone records their set at that upcoming festival where they're going to play the full album.

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13 minutes ago, Buffbloom said:

@MachoHommeRandallSauvage

 

You took (half of) my comment too literally. It wasn't filled with knives either. 

Oh. No I genuinely thought they shipped you a cover full of knives.

 

Apologies for not catching the sarcasm you meant by complaining about a shredded inner sleeve in response to someone else complaining about the same thing and then calling it a cash grab, which others have also non-ironically stated in here. How could I ever have made such a mistake?

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