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Hey everybody, I am brand new to this forum, so...thanks for...having me? 

I've got a couple missions here. One, I won't bore you with the super long version of the story, but I had my records stored lowdown and my dog got to them (after months of not noticing them, he all of a sudden decided to go for them). When I went looking for a good looking wall-mounted option, I couldn't really find much that wasn't IKEA or similar not great quality. First question: Of those out there with wall-mounted or high-up storage, what you do you all like? What are your favorite options? And why?

 

Second, for those with storage similar to my old situation (low to the ground), am I overstating an issue that no one else really cares about? Aside from my dog getting to them, I hated sitting on the floor constantly or bending over all the time to grab a new record. A lot of what I was seeing out there was stackabl cubes and consoles/tables with records being stored down below where the turntable is supposed to go. Do others find that as annoying as I did? Or am I just an unusually picky whiner? Both of those things can be true.

 

Third,  when I couldn't find anything I liked, I got my cousin to build what I was looking for (he's a woodworker/carpenter). Then some other people started asking if we could make some for them, so now we're setting out to make these for other people (for sale online). So I wanted to see if anyone was interested in providing feedback on our initial option. We were going for something that was all of these things: 

  • Handmade with quality materials (not IKEA stuff)
  • Wall-mounted to get the collection up at eye-level
  • Assembly-free and easy install for those without skill (me)
  • Clean design that fits in a range of decors
  • Scalable so you can add when you need more space


Most options do some of that, but we couldn't find anything that was all of those things. Would love to hear what you guys think about the design, price, idea, system, etc. If you don't like it, why not? What would you like better? Are we solving a non-existent problem? Is there an actual problem to be solved? Not trying to push anything on anybody, just hoping for good honest feedback from collectors whether it is good, bad, or otherwise. We are pretty set on a business focused on making nice stuff for vinyl people, starting with the shelving. The feedback will help us know where to go next and or if we're WAY off track. 

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Website with all the info and plenty of pictures here: https://www.deepcut.co/
Here's the Indiegogo  page (we're trying to raise money for tools, equip, building improvements) which has pricing etc. on it here: https://igg.me/at/deepcutindiegogo

Again, I'm new to the forum, so hopefully this is okay. If it isn't, my apologies and I'm sure this will never make it up. 

 

Thanks either way!

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I can't think of any reason I would want to mount my record collection on the wall like that, not to mention that if you have more than like...3 cubes full, what then? Also, train your dog. If you can't leave records safely in a shelf anywhere it can be reached by a dog I'd imagine you can't leave anything else near or on the floor either.

I mean...what happens when it chews up your couch, gonna hang that from the wall too?

 

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1 hour ago, Ishtar said:

I can't think of any reason I would want to mount my record collection on the wall like that, not to mention that if you have more than like...3 cubes full, what then? Also, train your dog. If you can't leave records safely in a shelf anywhere it can be reached by a dog I'd imagine you can't leave anything else near or on the floor either.

I mean...what happens when it chews up your couch, gonna hang that from the wall too?

 

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Ha, okay well it seems that the dog part of the story is getting a lot of attention. To elaborate, he was a very young puppy at the time and he has given up his destructive ways. We were already looking for something that would get my collection higher off the ground (because of what I described in the second part of the post, not liking bending down/crouching on the ground all the time to get records), the "incident" just made me approach the situation with a little more urgency. 

Appreciate the note about not being interested in getting your collection on the wall like this. Like I said, I'm interested to know how many others are looking for a solution like this or, like in your case, are totally uninterested. On the point about what to do after you fill 3 cubes, the idea is that you can continue to scale as you need and add more when you need more. Each holds 60+ in most cases, so depending on the collection size, it can help with the 1 - 500 record owners pretty well.

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1 hour ago, Han Solo said:

Looks nice but vinyl gets so heavy when its stacked together that I'd be worried about those cubes falling off the wall. I'm pretty happy with my generic kallax shelving 

Appreciate the response. My cousin (doing the building) has been working with an architectural engineer on the mounting hardware and the loading to make sure that these are set to hold 2 - 3 times what should be the worst case scenario as long as long as the wall isn't in total shambles. Good to know that was one of your immediate concerns though. Yes, the Kallax shelving certainly does the job. Do you have your collection oriented so that it is up high or do you have one of the two cube tall scenarios with your player on top? Curious if people find the bending down part annoying or if it doesn't bother them. Thanks for the comment either way.

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2 hours ago, youspinmeround said:

You couldn't train your dog so you started a company??

Ha, well not quite. I said in one of the other responses, but he was a very young pup at the time (doesn't destroy stuff these days) and we were looking for a better way to store my records anyway at the time, that just made me move a little faster. I originally just set out to get what I was looking for made since I couldn't find it. The company thing happened when some other people wanted it also. But it was part of the journey...

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15 minutes ago, deepcutrich said:

Appreciate the response. My cousin (doing the building) has been working with an architectural engineer on the mounting hardware and the loading to make sure that these are set to hold 2 - 3 times what should be the worst case scenario as long as long as the wall isn't in total shambles. Good to know that was one of your immediate concerns though. Yes, the Kallax shelving certainly does the job. Do you have your collection oriented so that it is up high or do you have one of the two cube tall scenarios with your player on top? Curious if people find the bending down part annoying or if it doesn't bother them. Thanks for the comment either way.

Just cuse the hardware holds 2 to 3 times its weight doesn't mean you just mount it.

 

You need to factor in that this should be hung at wall stud area. You also can't just put of these on a wall because you have hardware. Walls generally aren't designed to have a ton of weight just hanging off them.

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28 minutes ago, deepcutrich said:

Each holds 60+ in most cases, so depending on the collection size, it can help with the 1 - 500 record owners pretty well.

Great gif. Classic scene.

Yeah, my first post was pure snark but this isn't for someone like me. I've been collecting for close to 15 years and have over 1200 records. Good luck, but I feel like this is super niche and not going to sell well unfortunately. Better as a hobby than a business is my real take.

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2 minutes ago, youspinmeround said:

Just cuse the hardware holds 2 to 3 times its weight doesn't mean you just mount it.

 

You need to factor in that this should be hung at wall stud area. You also can't just put of these on a wall because you have hardware. Walls generally aren't designed to have a ton of weight just hanging off them.

Yes, I didn't mean to suggest it was as simple as that. The point was more that we've done our due diligence in terms of mounting these on various wall types in various scenarios with the full weight of a fully loaded cube (and then some) factored into the equation. Drywall studs are the ideal, but we have high-grade drywall anchors that works as well. I have one of the long-term test cases mounted in my home with the anchors (5 cubes fully loaded with records and an addition 3 loaded with books) that we've done additional stress-testing to. My point is simply to say that yes, the weight and mounting is certainly a major consideration and one we've paid a lot of attention to. That's why I brought up working with an architectural engineer and my cousins experience in framing homes, since they have plenty of experience and knowledge in this area. But it will remain something we pay close attention to and we can't speak to the quality of every wall, so it is definitely a good point. Thanks

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4 minutes ago, Ishtar said:

Yeah, my first post was pure snark but this isn't for someone like me. I've been collecting for close to 15 years and have over 1200 records. Good luck, but I feel like this is super niche and not going to sell well unfortunately. Better as a hobby than a business is my real take.

Yea of course, no worries at all. And the 500+ collection people, unless they want to divide it up somehow, you're right that we're really not going to be their answer. And that's a fair opinion and we may find it to be correct. The number of collectors out there (particularly new collectors) is on the rise at least, but we may still be too niche (at least with this first offering) to ever sell a huge amount of units. Time will tell. Truly though, thanks for weighing in. All the feedback helps.

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I'm gonna go with totally uninterested. UO might pick these up, but if I had to guess I'd say they made these already. They're impractical to anyone with more than a small amount of records. One 4x4 Kallax is way less work and way more storage for both small and large record collection holders. I guess the benefit is you can use the wall space as storage but I'd always be worrying it would fall.

 

EDIT: I like the idea of wall storage, let me make that clear. There's just much more benefit of dedicating a wall to storage rather than using your storage as a sparse decoration. I'd love to put a 2x8 on my wall but I've never wanted to figure out the logistics or think of the final price, when I can just simply buy a standard shelf.

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1 hour ago, deepcutrich said:

Do you have your collection oriented so that it is up high or do you have one of the two cube tall scenarios with your player on top? Curious if people find the bending down part annoying or if it doesn't bother them. Thanks for the comment either way.

I have two 2x4’s laying flat on the floor with my record player on top.  At some point I’d like to get the 5x5 as well since I’m beginning to run out of room. The bending thing doesn’t really bother me and honesty I have terrible knees from the sports I did as a kid (I’m twenty one lmfao). So as a combination of the potential weight issue, the fact that my collection is large, and the $120 per cube price you’ve got would force me to pass. Sorry man 

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this would be nice as a decorative touch, i think, especially if someone had a separate area for storage and playing and wanted an alternative to a crate or flipbin, or something. not practical enough to be primary storage. you might try and mimic the clean laminate look of an ikea shelf for those who want something to match.

 

edit: yeah im glad you are raising some $$ on indiegogo but your price point is wrong for collectors, I suspect. 

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45 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

I have two 2x4’s laying flat on the floor with my record player on top.  At some point I’d like to get the 5x5 as well since I’m beginning to run out of room. The bending thing doesn’t really bother me and honesty I have terrible knees from the sports I did as a kid (I’m twenty one lmfao). So as a combination of the potential weight issue, the fact that my collection is large, and the $120 per cube price you’ve got would force me to pass. Sorry man 

All very fair. We're working on the price for sure. Right now, to make them with the nice style touches that are important to us and with an admittedly inefficient manufacturing process combined with the nicer materials, we've got some work to do on that front. With some of the tools we plan to invest in though, we're hoping to be able to bring that down. But again, good to know and valuable to understand. Appreciate the feedback and candor. Thanks

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45 minutes ago, shamrocks said:

this would be nice as a decorative touch, i think, especially if someone had a separate area for storage and playing and wanted an alternative to a crate or flipbin, or something. not practical enough to be primary storage. you might try and mimic the clean laminate look of an ikea shelf for those who want something to match.

 

edit: yeah im glad you are raising some $$ on indiegogo but your price point is wrong for collectors, I suspect. 

Yea, there could be some truth to that, especially those with large collections. Just mentioned in another reply, but we're working on getting our costs / price down. We've made some decisions that certainly don't make it the easiest cheapest version of a box, but then again, we can't really compete with the IKEAs of the world anyway, so we'll have to win for those who have a different set of values. I hear ya though. Appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.

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I'm glad you seem to be somewhat successful in your indiegogo campaign but I can't help but voice the same concerns of others. Unless you have a small collection this method becomes impractical rather quickly. There's no shame in keeping records close to the floor, especially since many of us put them in sleeves anyway. I'd also like to point out that while IKEA may be seen as cheap by some, they're record storage options are affordable and hold up very well. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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1 hour ago, pepperonigin said:

I'm glad you seem to be somewhat successful in your indiegogo campaign but I can't help but voice the same concerns of others. Unless you have a small collection this method becomes impractical rather quickly. There's no shame in keeping records close to the floor, especially since many of us put them in sleeves anyway. I'd also like to point out that while IKEA may be seen as cheap by some, they're record storage options are affordable and hold up very well. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

All fair points and, even though we take some "swipes" at low down storage, it certainly isn't meant to suggest that one cannot take proper care of their collection if stored that way. Again, it is more about the preference of how to browse and display a collection than anything else. But again, that's obviously not true for everyone. And I do believe IKEA has its place. I definitely have not bought my last IKEA piece (we have a fantastic shoe storage unit from there for example), but I put so much time and effort into everything else around my stereo and collection, that I wanted something that felt high-end for the storage / display task as well. But IKEA knows what their doing. There stuff is clean, looks nice, etc., so I hear you. I know you aren't alone. And large collections will always be tough. Thanks for the feedback. 

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Main Feedback, ill keep it short 

  1.  They look nice, good job.
  2.  People with only a few records wont commit that kinda cash to storing them, people with lots of records probably can't afford the quantity they would need (like me).
  3.  I work in a construction related industry. People are idiots. These things are going to be stud anchored or bust.  1 and 3 people will incorrectly install a drywall anchor, ruin their wall, and leave you 1 Star angry reviews.  Trust me on this one.
  4. Your elevator pitch is really thin with the 'hardship' angle. Having to bend over to grab a record is not a big deal, its not like your grabbing more than a few a day at best. Stick to the value proposition of a high quality item and the safety it provides having them elevated.

Good luck!

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5 minutes ago, V3XED said:

Main Feedback, ill keep it short 

  1.  They look nice, good job.
  2.  People with only a few records wont commit that kinda cash to storing them, people with lots of records probably can't afford the quantity they would need (like me).
  3.  I work in a construction related industry. People are idiots. These things are going to be stud anchored or bust.  1 and 3 people will incorrectly install a drywall anchor, ruin their wall, and leave you 1 Star angry reviews.  Trust me on this one.
  4. Your elevator pitch is really thin with the 'hardship' angle. Having to bend over to grab a record is not a big deal, its not like your grabbing more than a few a day at best. Stick to the value proposition of a high quality item and the safety it provides having them elevated.

Good luck!

This guy gets it.

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43 minutes ago, V3XED said:

Main Feedback, ill keep it short 

  1.  They look nice, good job.
  2.  People with only a few records wont commit that kinda cash to storing them, people with lots of records probably can't afford the quantity they would need (like me).
  3.  I work in a construction related industry. People are idiots. These things are going to be stud anchored or bust.  1 and 3 people will incorrectly install a drywall anchor, ruin their wall, and leave you 1 Star angry reviews.  Trust me on this one.
  4. Your elevator pitch is really thin with the 'hardship' angle. Having to bend over to grab a record is not a big deal, its not like your grabbing more than a few a day at best. Stick to the value proposition of a high quality item and the safety it provides having them elevated.

Good luck!

Yeah, this is perfect. I was too lazy/turned off to go that in depth, but this nails my feelings exactly.

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