timsimmons Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 They haven't had a bad album after their debut. Some songs may be weaker. If you're cynical, I guess you could call it filler. But I can't think of a popular group/artist thats had as good of a run for as many albums as The NTL have had the past 15 years. gigantor, Oblivions and Derek™ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 54 minutes ago, ntslash said: This has by FAR the most filler of any National album. Name one moment of filler on Trouble Will Find Me. That album is flawless. Demons is balls. Fireproof is just okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 And Slipped and Heavenfaced are so vanilla that I had to peek at the tracklist just to remember them. Rest of the album is killer though. Just a humble 2¢. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Fireproof, Slipped and Heavenfaced are ones I constantly see mentioned as the low points of TWFM. I love them though. Over all through, the vibe of the album doesn't reach the highs of the previous 3 (for me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivions Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Humiliation is the best National song that no one ever thinks about though. If I was in a band and we were on a National tribute album that’s the song I’d pick to make people think we were really cool and hip. hobbesthecat, backpackoat, gigantor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youspinmeround Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 30 minutes ago, timsimmons said: They haven't had a bad album after their debut. Some songs may be weaker. If you're cynical, I guess you could call it filler. But I can't think of a popular group/artist thats had as good of a run for as many albums as The NTL have had the past 15 years. Radiohead Yo la tengo Dinosaur jr Malkmus and the hicks Spoon Just a few that come to mind that should be in discussion of popular artist with great runs of late pepperonigin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbesthecat Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, youspinmeround said: Radiohead Yo la tengo Dinosaur jr Malkmus and the hicks Spoon Just a few that come to mind that should be in discussion of popular artist with great runs of late Agree with the bands...buuut radiohead and the ntl are NOT on the same level i just have a feeling they’re (or maybe Matt) are trying too hard to be cool or art hip for this LP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbesthecat Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Humiliation with scream outro is untouchable live vs the rest of their catalogue Here’s my YouTube vid, 2nd time it was played live https://youtu.be/kLzLzPuoCCs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperonigin Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I'm trying to like this album more than I do but I think there's a huge drop off in quality and consistency. Side C is a total snooze fest with I Am Not In Kansas being at least three minutes too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veggiecorecords Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 3 hours ago, pepperonigin said: I'm trying to like this album more than I do but I think there's a huge drop off in quality and consistency. Side C is a total snooze fest with I Am Not In Kansas being at least three minutes too long. Wait, what? Side C opens with "Where is Her Head" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veggiecorecords Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 17 hours ago, Shitty Rambo said: I will continue to try and find something special about this record. Hopefully I do. Gave it another listen at work but started half way through, @Kanye West must have a different version of this album than I do because I was immediately greeted with minutes of filler/electronic/atmospheric ambience. That's fine if that's you're thing, just not something I'd go out of my way to listen to. I'm curious what song you started halfway through with because I don't hear any filler/electronic/atmospheric ambiance - just good songs. Maybe you do have a different version of this album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 @veggiecorecords Her Father In The Pool, the 8th track on a 16 track album (aka the middle of the album), which is followed by one straight forward song then 2 that are almost 7 minutes long. Nice try though, pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbesthecat Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shitty Rambo said: @veggiecorecords Her Father In The Pool, the 8th track on a 16 track album (aka the middle of the album), which is followed by one straight forward song then 2 that are almost 7 minutes long. Nice try though, pal. Why they gave those tracks a freaking title blows my mind they’re indiscernible from each other I’d rather have 2 minutes of Matt’s brother belching and then crushing beer can’s into his forehead than that Shitty Rambo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperonigin Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, veggiecorecords said: Wait, what? Side C opens with "Where is Her Head" And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 51 minutes ago, Shitty Rambo said: @veggiecorecords Her Father In The Pool, the 8th track on a 16 track album (aka the middle of the album), which is followed by one straight forward song then 2 that are almost 7 minutes long. Nice try though, pal. Track 8 is 1 min long, not sure where you’re getting minutes of ambience from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, batman said: Track 8 is 1 min long, not sure where you’re getting minutes of ambience from. Plenty of slow pace jamming in the other two song I had mentioned. Like I said, I was working at the same time, not sitting completely still in a dark room paying the utmost attention to the music. Not sure why you guys are dissecting my comment to the bitter end, but right on lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youspinmeround Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Shitty Rambo said: Plenty of slow pace jamming in the other two song I had mentioned. Like I said, I was working at the same time, not sitting completely still in a dark room paying the utmost attention to the music. Not sure why you guys are dissecting my comment to the bitter end, but right on lol. Maybe National fans are trying to compete with Pearl Jam and Tool fanbases and therefore must dissect everything Shitty Rambo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivions Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Pearl Jam and Tool have at least 3 fans who would reply to lukewarm to slightly negative comments about those bands in a message board? Sounds like a persnickety bunch. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) For the VC trogs: Rambo opinion different. Opinion = discussion. Want to understand perspective. For anyone who wants to read: Well, I think it’s because Rambo’s voiced, some pages ago and numerous times, that the album is too boring or experimental or whatever. And that’s cool. Just because he’s not a fan, it shouldn’t mean that he has to sit out from discussion. “Negative Nancies” get an opinion just as much as anyone else, even if they’re not glowing about the record. It’s a bummer that some people aren’t enjoying the album as much as others, but it’s to be expected. You can’t please everyone with every release, especially with one that’s as “adventurous” as IAETF (in terms of guest spots, vocals, etc.). Rambo is entitled to make claims that the album is noisy and ambient and obtusely experimental, and find it questionable that any of us hear a colorful, engaging record. And, proportionally, I think the rest of us are entitled to enjoy the record and question where all this chatter of ambience and snail-pace progression is coming from. It’s about understanding more of his perspective, where he’s coming from, and how he’s concluding that the album is as dry as he’s claiming it is. No one is going to magically convince him to enjoy the record. But similarly, his assumption that the album is so dense and boring that it requires a focused listen in the dark, isn’t going to detract from what it brings to the table for me. There’s a disconnect there and it opens up a platform to discuss varying opinions instead of just nodding in agreement or echoing the same praise / complaints endlessly. That’s why posts are happening. Edited May 24, 2019 by Derek™ jonnywreck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 53 minutes ago, Derek™ said: For the VC trogs: Rambo opinion different. Opinion = discussion. Want to understand perspective. For anyone who wants to read: Hide contents Well, I think it’s because Rambo’s voiced, some pages ago and numerous times, that the album is too boring or experimental or whatever. And that’s cool. Just because he’s not a fan, it shouldn’t mean that he has to sit out from discussion. “Negative Nancies” get an opinion just as much as anyone else, even if they’re not glowing about the record. It’s a bummer that some people aren’t enjoying the album as much as others, but it’s to be expected. You can’t please everyone with every release, especially with one that’s as “adventurous” as IAETF (in terms of guest spots, vocals, etc.). Rambo is entitled to make claims that the album is noisy and ambient and obtusely experimental, and find it questionable that any of us hear a colorful, engaging record. And, proportionally, I think the rest of us are entitled to enjoy the record and question where all this chatter of ambience and snail-pace progression is coming from. It’s about understanding more of his perspective, where he’s coming from, and how he’s concluding that the album is as dry as he’s claiming it is. No one is going to magically convince him to enjoy the record. But similarly, his assumption that the album is so dense and boring that it requires a focused listen in the dark, isn’t going to detract from what it brings to the table for me. There’s a disconnect there and it opens up a platform to discuss varying opinions instead of just nodding in agreement or echoing the same praise / complaints endlessly. That’s why posts are happening. I've never been shamed into liking an album (yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shitty Rambo said: I've never been shamed into liking an album (yet) I would sure hope not. That’s basically forced bandwagoning. (Wagon abduction?) Way grosser than sticking to your guns with a hot take. Shitty Rambo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I do think removing Dust Swirls and the 2 choral tracks and then moving some tracks around on the tracklist could make for a better flow for the record. Personally I think the tracks are pretty standard fare for the National and could exist on any of the previous 3 records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbesthecat Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 the UK 180 gram black pressing is pretty dead quiet , i'll keep that one . still boring imo. i'm also not impressed by the mixing on the new LP whatsoever. the instruments are not prominent and the noise level on tracks very, which is weird just put on the clear 180 gram pressing of TWFM - it's almost like a different freaking band . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 *swoon* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperonigin Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 OK I'm officially coming around to this album. I still really dislike Not in Kansas, but everything else is pretty solid. Also, back to my earlier post, they were able to replace my scratched LP pretty quickly and without too much fuss. veggiecorecords 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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