unknown pleasures Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) I’m sure if you use Discogs you already saw the notices but the site is going to start automatically collecting sales tax for about 20 US states starting in July: https://support.discogs.com/hc/en-us/articles/360024123194 Starting July 1, 2019, Discogs will be taking on full responsibility for the calculation, collection, and remittance of sales taxes in all states where we qualify as a Marketplace Facilitator (MPF). A list of these states is available in the help article linked below. In states where Discogs does not qualify as an MPF, it is important for sellers to determine their own sales tax responsibilities. We urge sellers to use a professional tax advisor to help determine these responsibilities. Discogs will be launching a new feature where sellers can view MPF states as well as toggle on / off states that they've determined it is necessary to collect sales tax. Beginning July 1, this tool will be available on the seller settings page. We will also be adding new information to the Marketplace Order export to assist with tracking sales tax that has been collected. It looks like they’ll add it into the purchase and then pay it on behalf of sellers, so if you live in one of the affected states expect the price of your Discogs purchases to go up. (Seems like a lot of the European sellers on the forums are upset and threatening to block US sales!) Edited June 20, 2019 by unknown pleasures fondfarewell and toxicity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) Between this and the chatter of oversea shipping going up – not 100% sure of that impact just yet, personally – it seems like it's becoming increasingly more annoying to keep up with the hobby™. At least from the perspective of importing. Edited June 21, 2019 by Derek™ aopps42, N8TRU and V3XED 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 Ha! https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/960260677 Quote LAST DISCOUNT OF THIS RARITY! BUY BEFORE YOU HAVE TO PAY TAX ON HERE (7/1/19) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Taxation is theft! AlexH., toxicity, Billich0986 and 3 others 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N8TRU Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Will this be charged for where we live or charged for where the seller is based out of? I live in Delaware so we don't have sales tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, N8TRU said: Will this be charged for where we live or charged for where the seller is based out of? I live in Delaware so we don't have sales tax. As a buyer, you would only pay sales tax if you live in one of the states in the list. As a seller, you’d need to collect sales tax even if you don’t live in the same state (or even the same country) as the person you sold to, assuming they’re in one of the states in the list. However, it looks like Discogs is automating the tax collection process. So basically, if you live in a state that isn’t on the list or obviously one with no sales tax at all, you don’t need to worry about taxes on the buy side, only if you sell stuff on Discogs. N8TRU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted June 29, 2019 Author Share Posted June 29, 2019 Just a quick bump to remind any affected US based buyers that are considering a Discogs purchases to get it in over the weekend/before Monday when the tax hike happens. (Plus who knows how many European sellers are going to start blocking all US sales come Monday morning...) Shitty Rambo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faaip de oiad Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Welp, there goes that platform... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Does Reverb LP pull this shit too? Might have to start using them for my second-hand online shopping. faaip de oiad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, Shitty Rambo said: Does Reverb LP pull this shit too? Might have to start using them for my second-hand online shopping. I personally don't use Reverb for buying or selling but I just read the Sales Tax FAQ on their site and it looks like the setup there is already similar to what Discogs is implementing. Honestly, Discogs was one of the last holdouts; Amazon, eBay, Etsy, etc. have all been doing this for some time. I'm afraid with how easily its become to track digital transactions, unless you're dealing with well-concealed cash in a plain paper envelope or some super-anonymous cryptocurrency the government is going to find a way to take "their fair share." Shitty Rambo and faaip de oiad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 8 hours ago, unknown pleasures said: I personally don't use Reverb for buying or selling but I just read the Sales Tax FAQ on their site and it looks like the setup there is already similar to what Discogs is implementing. Honestly, Discogs was one of the last holdouts; Amazon, eBay, Etsy, etc. have all been doing this for some time. I'm afraid with how easily its become to track digital transactions, unless you're dealing with well-concealed cash in a plain paper envelope or some super-anonymous cryptocurrency the government is going to find a way to take "their fair share." Looks like the VC S/T/W board is the last off-the-grid "marketplace". The state would tax your garage sale if they could, that's basically what they're doing with discogs lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexH. Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Shitty Rambo said: The state would tax your garage sale if they could, that's basically what they're doing with discogs lol. I would venture to guess that the vast majority of the business conducted in $ is done by record stores and dealers. They're likely facilitating millions of dollars of transactions per year, of course they're going to comply with the law. If you don't like it, you can always move to Montana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 5 hours ago, AlexH. said: I would venture to guess that the vast majority of the business conducted in $ is done by record stores and dealers. They're likely facilitating millions of dollars of transactions per year, of course they're going to comply with the law. If you don't like it, you can always move to Montana. Chill on the bootlicking, you might have a boner for statism, but my opposition towards it doesn't mean I have to pack my shit and leave AlexH. and copelandkid 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple_torture Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I added an item to my cart this morning, and sales tax was not included in the total displayed before you hit "Place Order and Pay Now." (I am in Rhode Island.) Not sure if doesn't come up until the invoice is sent? Has that been indicated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexH. Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 So it seems a few weeks in that this was a bit of an overblown concern, assuming you don't have an ideological opposition to sales tax in the first place 😜. It's actually not that complicated. If you are a buyer, either: you live in a state where Discogs is an MPF (https://support.discogs.com/hc/en-us/articles/360024123194#h_92f3b7e3-8346-4582-82a7-ec8117930651) in which case Discogs automatically charges you sales tax, or you live in a non-MPF state, in which case it's up to the seller to account for sales tax if they meet your state's economic nexus threshold (see below) or if they live in the same state as you (also see below) For sellers: Your buyers in MPF states automatically pay sales tax, and Discogs automatically collects it. For non-MPF states, if you don't meet a specific state's economic nexus threshold, which means you do X amount of business in the state (at least $100,000 & 100 transactions for all states that have sales tax), you are not legally required to collect sales tax. This most likely covers everyone on VC. If you're doing that much in Discogs sales to one state, you probably have an accountant who has already explained this to you. The exception is your home state. According to Discogs, there are usually no thresholds for "resident sellers" since you're effectively the same as a brick and mortar business at that point. This is the one annoying one, since Discogs also says you technically have to register your "business" and file tax returns and all that. That seems to be on the honor system for now, since you have to go in and manually check the box for your state in your seller settings, so I'm leaving it be for now. If you really want to stay off the grid, you can always arrange an in-person meetup. Iggy_Pilot and faaip de oiad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frutiger75 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 yet another instance of where the ideals of framers of the Constitution are thwarted by partisan politics with SCOTUS political appointments by the "executive branch" (lol). 5-4 decision. guess who wrote the opinion, who joined, and who dissented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethereal Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 just noticed this feature added to my seller orders automatically on top of the base price + shipping. looks like it auto-calculates based on the state the buyer is buying from and handled directly through Discogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 5 hours ago, frutiger75 said: yet another instance of where the ideals of framers of the Constitution are thwarted by partisan politics with SCOTUS political appointments by the "executive branch" (lol). 5-4 decision. guess who wrote the opinion, who joined, and who dissented. bUt MuH rOaDs TheGhostOfRandySavage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frutiger75 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 idiot. 21 hours ago, Shitty Rambo said: bUt MuH rOaDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shenanigans Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just had my first sales tax sale. $50 item I sold. Discogs charged $4.40 sales tax to the buyer on top. I have all my records shipped to my parents in Georgia so I haven't had to pay sales tax. Moving to California in a few weeks and seems like it might be cheaper for me to continue having Discogs records sent there and then having them ship a few at a time to me in CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple_torture Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 This might be non-news, but wanted to see if this has happened to anyone else. I've been paying sales tax consistently on Discogs since last summer, but today had an odd experience. I added an item to my cart and the total was displayed, which included like $1.17 for taxes. I then noticed the seller was accepting offers, so I offered just a tad below asking to sort of 'wipe out' the tax (it was an $18 item, so I offered $16.50). The seller accepted my offer, then I went to pay, and now I wasn't required to pay taxes--it cost me $16.50 flat. What's up with that? Is the transaction classed as an auction or something now? Can't recall if I've had to pay taxes on any eBay auctions I've won, but I do pay taxes on Ebay buy-it-nows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 34 minutes ago, simple_torture said: What's up with that? Is the transaction classed as an auction or something now? Can't recall if I've had to pay taxes on any eBay auctions I've won, but I do pay taxes on Ebay buy-it-nows. I just happen to have bought something with an offer last week and double-checked and sales tax was charged so maybe it was a fluke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youspinmeround Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) If you were on mobile its displaying weird charges as some recent enhancement. I always accept offers on my profile and it charges tax as needed Edited April 16, 2020 by youspinmeround Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 So I got some Discogs email today about UK/EU taxes but can’t be bothered to read the whole thing. If I’m in the US, is it anything I should be aware about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, unknown pleasures said: can’t be bothered to read the whole thing. I’m in the US Checks out. Corgipants, geezfools, One Hundred Fifty-Two and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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