Metal Mike Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Guess there's a chance we could be saving a bunch of money in the near future... https://thevinylfactory.com/news/apollo-transco-vinyl-lacquer-fire/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 If anything, I expect more represses (don't need to cut new lacquers there). On the plus side, maybe less unnecessary double LPs and 12"s. But yeah costs will go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmpatrick Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Everything in the US will be DMM for a while. No need for lacquers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Mike Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Apparently GZ uses DMM, so much metal is safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadmonkey Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Probably means a BOAT LOAD of delays especially with record store day looming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 If this affects RSD (I assume most lacquers have been cut for those by nowish), I assume we may see larger quantities of records because they’ll need to make up for those that can’t get cut. jackshidt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gretz Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 a lot of labels set test press deadlines for December for RSD (smart) this is a MASSIVE blow to anything new. While DMM is safe, there are only a few places that do it (and none in the US, in fact the only 2 DMM lathes in the US are owned by the church of scientology). What is going to happen is the few DMM capable places -- the big one being GZ in the Czech Republic-- will be the go to for everyone. So not only will we see fewer new releases but the majors will back them up with their larger orders. In the meantime, most of the smaller plants esp. in the US are going to take a massive hit. This is not good for any aspect of the music industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer73 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Good thing Jack White presses his own stuff. Gillian Welch and David Rawlings have their own press as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown pleasures Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, kramer73 said: Good thing Jack White presses his own stuff. Gillian Welch and David Rawlings have their own press as well. They have their own pressing plants but they still used Apollo for their lacquers (Third Man did, anyway). ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Everyone did. Apollo made 98% of the lacquers and the 100% cutting heads. this will be bad for at least a year pizza face 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I guess if you love colored Newbury pressings, the next couple years will be quite the time to be alive. pizza face and tape 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneThreeOneTwo Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Is there a place anywhere in South America that cuts lacquers? I wonder if North American labels will do business with the Japanese plant? If I were based on the Pacific Coast, I would maybe see if the costs make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) Yeah, I think the Music Matters reissue program uses the guy in Japan. Or another Jazz reissue label. I forget and I say guy, I guess it’s just a dude. He can’t work fast enough to keep up with his orders. Edited February 9, 2020 by timsimmons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) It’s gonna take some big names to step up and solve this. I’m optimistic that people will want to move quick on finding a solution. We just got vinyl back (so to speak), I don t think they’ll let it waste away again. Edited February 9, 2020 by timsimmons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbo Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I think that the only other place that cuts lacquers is in Japan. Here's a business opportunity for the right person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I’ve been assuming “the whispers” of another party entering the lacquer making game that TMRs Blackwell said in the p4k story is such a typical TMR way of saying TMR is looking into it. and it makes sense. If a business has 98% of the marketplace, there’s plenty of room for someone else to come in and take some of that market share. Jack White, while unconventional, has been pretty good in the records business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtrCtyWx Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, timsimmons said: I’ve been assuming “the whispers” of another party entering the lacquer making game that TMRs Blackwell said in the p4k story is such a typical TMR way of saying TMR is looking into it. and it makes sense. If a business has 98% of the marketplace, there’s plenty of room for someone else to come in and take some of that market share. Jack White, while unconventional, has been pretty good in the records business. It’ll take some time to get the process going (materials and facility, etc) but TMR has already established mastering and pressing, so it would be not a surprise they step up and take a leadership position in the industry. Edited February 9, 2020 by MtrCtyWx Facility, not faculty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Yeah, Jack has put significant time money and resources into becoming a one man vinyl production machine. No way will he stand idly by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gretz Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 3 hours ago, 30SecondsOfFranchiseFame said: Is there a place anywhere in South America that cuts lacquers? I wonder if North American labels will do business with the Japanese plant? If I were based on the Pacific Coast, I would maybe see if the costs make sense. the problem is, the Japanese lacquer plant (MDC) is not taking on any new clients, they said as much when this happened. So any cutters not already getting supplied by MDC and that were using Apollo are literally shit out of luck. What Apollo was making (and MDC in Japan) is literally an insanely specialized thing that is the first step of ANY record getting made. This is really bad. OneThreeOneTwo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Seems like we're gonna get nothing but GZ and optimal pressings for the next couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizza face Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 To think 3/4 month Pre-orders were bad, can't wait to see what it will be as a result of this event. At least my bank account will be happier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 The vinyl releases reddit page was funny when this broke. People were pissed that their current pre-orders weren't gonna happen and people were looking to cancel pre-orders in case they got ripped off. I would assume, outside of Frank Ocean pre-orders, most records have already been cut when orders go up. aopps42 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gretz Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, pizza face said: To think 3/4 month Pre-orders were bad, can't wait to see what it will be as a result of this event. At least my bank account will be happier i think you will find that a lot of newer releases do not come out on vinyl at release date for a bit. You may see CD/Digital with "vinyl at a later date". You also might see a lot of already released things coming out in NEW versions (since the lacquers wouldn't be needed if the plates still exist from prior pressings). GZ is going to get slammed because it is common knowledge this doesn't effect them. So there are going to be longer lines in production there. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer73 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 8:29 PM, unknown pleasures said: They have their own pressing plants but they still used Apollo for their lacquers (Third Man did, anyway). Ahh ok. I didn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneThreeOneTwo Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Why the mods haven't pinned this thread is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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