Dhesketh Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 How does a plant miss-size a standard LP hole for an entire color press? Not complaining as it’s been years, but I never understood how this happened. Figured someone here may have some insight. Contacted the plant as soon as I realized the issue, but response never seemed to make sense. Said it was because there were no labels (not what was asked for) so the hole was too big. And I’m not talking a little, whole press had holes 2x the size. How would not having a label (again, not what i asked) make the LP spindle hole so big the record is unplayable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidal Wave Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Are you the record label in this situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 So not 45rpm holes? Just twice as big as normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhesketh Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 Right. Not a 45 hole. So let’s say (rough measurements) a standard spindle hole is “1/4 in”. This press’s holes are 3/8in-1/2in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I'm at a loss. Never seen or heard of something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Banned User] Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) Can you show me a picture of your hole? Edited January 19, 2021 by [Banned User] whoa, Plarocks, IndigoHollow and 4 others 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 30 minutes ago, [Banned User] said: Can you show us a picture of your hole? Hey, slow down there boss. This is a family oriented message board for respectable, yet discerning, degenerates and fetishists. Maybe just a wholesomely lurid description of your hole please. [Banned User] and Plarocks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrocks Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 i thought for sure this was going to be a post where i got to bust out my knowledge of where to buy a 7.3 mm drill bit for spindle hole upsizing, but alas, an even weirder thread. ive never heard of this and theres no way a plant that presses records could accidentally do this right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhesketh Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 6 hours ago, shamrocks said: i thought for sure this was going to be a post where i got to bust out my knowledge of where to buy a 7.3 mm drill bit for spindle hole upsizing, but alas, an even weirder thread. ive never heard of this and theres no way a plant that presses records could accidentally do this right? I thought that too. It didn’t make any sense to me at the time. I added the best photo I could get to the discogs listing: https://www.discogs.com/Sinking-Ships-Disconnecting/release/6597630 (Second photo) I think the other versions were pressed at a different plant, this was done by pirates press in ‘06. Pretty sure the label had them rushed so we could pick them up in Germany for a tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy_Pilot Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 10:23 AM, Dhesketh said: Said it was because there were no labels (not what was asked for) so the hole was too big. It was not your request to press it without center labels? Do I misunderstand this? It was pressed by GZ, so no surprise the lack of QC. I just would like to add that the purpose of center labels should not be underestimated, I think: Records tend to warp if a label is missing on one side, e.g. on etched or single-sided records. If labels have higher moisture it will cause pressing defects as well. That's why they need to go to an oven for drying before pressing. Since your records do not have any labels at all, I would not be surprised about such an odd defect of a larger spindle hole. I could not explain the physical reason for it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy_Pilot Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Dhesketh said: I think the other versions were pressed at a different plant, this was done by pirates press in ‘06. Pretty sure the label had them rushed so we could pick them up in Germany for a tour. According to Discogs the clear variant was also pressed by GZ. Same matrix as the tour variant. I assume all variants were pressed there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 That's a regular ass spindle hole size wtf? Have you just never seen a record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I'm guessing without the label as the record cooled it shrunk a little, whereas the label would have helped it hold it's shape better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, daegor said: I'm guessing without the label as the record cooled it shrunk a little, whereas the label would have helped it hold it's shape better. That's the exact opposite of what they're asking which seems stupid now after seeing a picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, Shelby American said: That's the exact opposite of what they're asking which seems stupid now after seeing a picture. huh? You can clearly see in the picture the hole is notably larger than the spindle. if the vinyl itself shrinks/retracts it would make the hole bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, daegor said: huh? You can clearly see in the picture the hole is notably larger than the spindle. if the vinyl itself shrinks/retracts it would make the hole bigger. Sorry I got confused and thought you meant the hole shrunk and not the record itself. Makes a lot more sense this way haha. Anyways, that hole is 1-2mm larger than normal tops. Not half an inch... daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy_Pilot Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 10:23 AM, Dhesketh said: How would not having a label (again, not what i asked) make the LP spindle hole so big the record is unplayable? What I have seen on some used records: you could make it playable by either putting adhesive tape over the spindle hole and pushing the spindle through. Or by filling up the inners of the hole with a couple of layers of tape. Might not be easy to find the exact spot so it will not be off-centered. Dhesketh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheriver Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Shelby American said: Sorry I got confused and thought you meant the hole shrunk and not the record itself. Makes a lot more sense this way haha. Anyways, that hole is 1-2mm larger than normal tops. Not half an inch... The spindle hole is way too big, ok? Shelby, daegor and Plarocks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhesketh Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 Yeah yeah, my original estimate of “2x” the size was an over estimate, as I hadn’t looked at it in years. After measuring it was 1.5x. Just figured I’d pose the question as I’ve never seen this before and always kinda wondered. But to be fair in response to an earlier poster, I actually haven’t ever seen a record before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhesketh Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 17 hours ago, Iggy_Pilot said: According to Discogs the clear variant was also pressed by GZ. Same matrix as the tour variant. I assume all variants were pressed there? Yeah that makes sense. I think the 2013 remaster may have been at a different plant, but all the earlier ones I’m sure your right. And as far as the labels, it was a rush job so we’d have something for tour. So we said blank labels were fine, and either misunderstanding or time constraints got us no labels. Actually really liked how they look, so had no complaints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrocks Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Yeah its a great looking record, shame about the spindle. I will say, I think most of us were expecting something comically large, I could totally see how this could happen, especially without center labels, which actually may/do support the edge of the spindle hole somewhat Dhesketh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrocks Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 disappointing that the plant wouldnt correct it, were there tests? I suspect they had labels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhesketh Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 hours ago, shamrocks said: Yeah its a great looking record, shame about the spindle. I will say, I think most of us were expecting something comically large, I could totally see how this could happen, especially without center labels, which actually may/do support the edge of the spindle hole somewhat Yeah, the overestimate did make it seem more dramatic than the question intended to be. Was looking for more of a process explanation. And as far as the plant not correcting it, I kinda get it. They did rush them, doing the label a favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhesketh Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, shamrocks said: disappointing that the plant wouldnt correct it, were there tests? I suspect they had labels Tests were normal, and all other presses I’m sure were as well. Sounds like it just may have been a little larger than normal variance accentuated by lack of labels to tension it in. Thanks for the responses, informative and pretty damn comical. I feel like my hole questions have been filled. Edited January 20, 2021 by Dhesketh Iggy_Pilot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plarocks Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Yalls’ turntables ain’t man enough for that record! Dhesketh, Metal Mike and Iggy_Pilot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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