sgoodcore Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 sammy - true cups are important. but philly hasn't won in 30+ years and i consider them a model, toronto hasn't won in 40+ years and i still consider them a model. when was the last times the habs won? 199x? 1993 damnit. And I don't consider the Leafs anything but a total mess. Never have been committed to anything but short-term plans. Same thing with Philly, honestly. The Eric Lindros deal was horrible one when you look at what it turned in to. In that deal were the pieces that made Philadelphia nothing but a contender and made Colorado two-time Cup Champions. You in the Cup or you achieve nothing and in that regard the Wings are the only team right now that should serve as anyone's model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Three words: Robitaille, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg. how can you talk about draft day diamonds without a mention of the red wings?zetterberg was in the 7th round, holmstrom was in the 10th round, Datsyuk was in the 6th round Ahem. Volume one. Of a continuing series. Patience. There are plenty of others as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Three words: Robitaille, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg. how can you talk about draft day diamonds without a mention of the red wings?zetterberg was in the 7th round, holmstrom was in the 10th round, Datsyuk was in the 6th round Ahem. Volume one. Of a continuing series. Patience. There are plenty of others as well. I know, I was just making a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Same thing with Philly, honestly. The Eric Lindros deal was horrible one when you look at what it turned in to. In that deal were the pieces that made Philadelphia nothing but a contender and made Colorado two-time Cup Champions. You in the Cup or you achieve nothing and in that regard the Wings are the only team right now that should serve as anyone's model. Lindros deal wasn't all that horrible, when you think about it. 88 is one of the highest selling jersey's in history. Think that's not of benefit to a franchise? Tell me Lindros wasn't an excellent player in his time. And truthfully, Forsberg fizzled out quickly just like Lindros did. But The Nordiques were largely responsible for the success of Colorado, not Philadelphia. And Lindros was Quebec move, not a Colorado one. Sure there's Forsberg. And that 1st rounder (Jocelyn Thibault) was packaged up and exchanged for Patrick Roy, but how about: Joe Sakic Chris Drury Adam Foote Adam Deadmarsh Milan Hejduk Forsberg and that pick (that became Roy) were crucial, yes. But could Peter Forsberg and Patrick Roy win a cup alone? Lindros trade probably made the difference, you're right, but if Quebec hadn't already laid down that foundation above, it would have been equally as fruitless to them as it was to Philadelphia. And by himself, Forsberg wouldn't have made the difference for Philadelphia, either -- we saw that later on. Would Leclair and Renberg have been as shit hot as they were without Lindros? There are so many things to consider. The most fortunate of the lot, you could argue, were the Rangers. Them getting the shaft helped them the cup almost right away by keeping Richter and Kovalev. And since we talking about great Quebec draft picks, let's not forget Mats Sundin, Owen Nolan, Michel Goulet, and Peter Stasny. The Quebec Nordiques -- the mother of all model franchises. Those cups belong to Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 excellent post regarding the lindros situation. sure a lot was given up but he gave a lot back. He was the best player in the league for a year or two and would have (maybe still should be) a hall of fame player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Just my opinion. And a valid one. The majority are on your side, I reckon. I was just pointing out some different takes. That's what makes this a discussion, after all. You're quite knowledgeable, Mr. GoodCore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Just my opinion. And a valid one. The majority are on your side, I reckon. I was just pointing out some different takes. That's what makes this a discussion, after all. You're quite knowledgeable, Mr. GoodCore. It happens with a grandfather who's been watching hockey since he was 5, roughly 70 years, takes you to games from the time you're 8. The Lindros move is one you can't argue with too much I suppose. I mean, there's not much you can change in hindsight. But overpaying by that much for player who never wanted to be in Quebec and who had never played a game in the NHL was not a good call on Clarke's part. Oh and I agree that first Cup belongs to Quebec, not Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirbypuckett Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 seriously, how many people really do remember the Pens pre-lockout that aren't from Pittsburgh or western PA? Probably not that many, those were the dark ages for the Pens franchise... I doubt Brad knows much of anything about the Pens or the team of players they had pre lockout outside of reading wikipedia. So to say they tanked to get crosby... yeah, okay. they tanked to get malkin, fluery, whitney, and even stall. crosby was gift wrapped to them. i remember the pens pre-lockout because i've always been a flyers fan. they were a joke for half a decade. that's all i'm saying. Since 1990 only two teams have been in the playoffs more than the Penguins. Detroit and New Jersey -- that's all I'm saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbanargyle Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Looks like Carcillo got himself suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Since we got a little antsy about my draft diamonds, here's Volume 2. (Please note the inclusion of a certain Los Angeles King) drabley's draft day diamonds (vol 2) Doug Gilmour Position: Center Draft year: 1982 Round: 7 Overall: 134 Team: St. Louis Blues Luc Robitaille Position: Left Wing Draft year: 1984 Round: 9 Overall: 171 Team: Los Angeles Kings Theoren Fleury Position: Right Wing Draft year: 1987 Round: 8 Overall: 166 Team: Calgary Flames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murakami Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 i love theo fleury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adammuzzy Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 can't wait to watch the habs snuff out those bitch ass bruins. You're high i'm not high, nor was i when i posted that. the bruins are horrible against the canadiens in the playoffs. and i just really hate the bruins more than anything in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swankymodes Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 i love theo fleury. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lCl6jGMJJY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldsnap Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 You're high i'm not high, nor was i when i posted that. the bruins are horrible against the canadiens in the playoffs. and i just really hate the bruins more than anything in the world. same here, and i hope Laraque beats the fuck out of Lucic or Chara, fuck i hate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Laraque would get his ass handed to him by Chara. And you're high if you think Montreal has a chance to win 4 games in 7 tries from Boston. Little known fact: Tom Glavine, yes the pitcher, was actually drafted higher by the Kings than Luc Robitaille in the same draft year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldsnap Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 lol, i said Montreal would win in 4 games? didn't know that. i think you are the one that is high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murakami Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 i used to have the tom glavine hockey card (or maybe it was a baseball card with him on skates). either case, i loved it and now cant find a photo of it to save my life, other than this ebay auction Hockey card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 lol, i said Montreal would win in 4 games? didn't know that. i think you are the one that is high. Re-read what I said. You would do best to be sure you read something correctly. I said 4 games in seven tries. And if you don't think Montreal is going to win four games, then you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Another little known fact (and draft day diamond)... The starting goaltender for Boston, Tim Thomas, was drafted in the 9th round (217th overall) in 1994 by, you guessed it, the Quebec Nordiques. A lot of teams owe quite a bit to the little franchise that couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Thomas go to Europe and come back as a free agent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murakami Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 quebec is like the montreal expos of hockey. correct me if i am wrong on any of these guys, but i think they drafted, Pedro Martinez, Andres Galaraga, Randy Johnson, Moises Alou Larry Walker and Vlad Guerrero (probably more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I think Lucic, Ward, and Chara are going to try to fight the entire Habs team! Pedro was actually as a Dodger. Montreal traded Delino De-fucking-Shields to get him because Lasorda thought Pedro couldn't survicve. But they did draft Larry Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 i used to have the tom glavine hockey card (or maybe it was a baseball card with him on skates). either case, i loved it and now cant find a photo of it to save my life, other than this ebay auctionHockey card I have the michael jordan rookie card......... for the white sox..... hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drabley Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Thomas go to Europe and come back as a free agent? He was drafted in 94 by the Nordiques. Played at U. Vermont for 4 years. He was in and out of the minors/Europe for quite some time. He was first in the Oilers organization, then the Bruins in 2001. So you're right. But he was drafted by the Nordiques, originally. Never played a minute for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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