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17 minutes ago, JRHews said:

Still need to play TLOU, I've had the remastered for a while now. Will get to it this summer for sure but I might wait until PS5 for Part 2.

Hopefully they update it for PS5 for free for owners and not charge a full game for it. It feels very next gen already. Only played for 2 hours last night but loving it. 

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On 6/13/2020 at 4:46 PM, Reshiram said:

Finally got Burnout Paradise Remastered. This game is as amazing as i remember it, i honestly don't think there will ever be a better racing game. Every car feels so fast, there's cool shit to explore on ever street corner, and the multiplayer is still a lot of fun. Masterpiece.

I have never been much into racing games but I remember playing a ton of Revenge and a good amount of Paradise. Been debating getting the remaster once I see a good sale or it goes to game pass. 

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6 minutes ago, museummouth said:

Hopefully they update it for PS5 for free for owners and not charge a full game for it. It feels very next gen already. Only played for 2 hours last night but loving it. 

I'm honestly a huge scaredycat when it comes to horror/thriller/survival games/movies lol  I've told my wife she needs to be in the room with me the whole time I play it. Took me enough courage to get through all of the Half Life games back in the day :P

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On 6/17/2020 at 6:46 PM, Derek™ said:

...Should we tell him?

Everyone who’s pissed about the direction of the story must have forgotten two things. 

 

1. They don’t own Ellie or her fate

2. They played as the villain in the first game, and royally fucked humanity over at the end. 

 

These are the same people who bitched about the end of Mass Effect 3, without realizing the entire game was the end. They focused on that last cutscene. 

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4 hours ago, throughbeingcruel said:

Everyone who’s pissed about the direction of the story must have forgotten two things. 

 

1. They don’t own Ellie or her fate

2. They played as the villain in the first game, and royally fucked humanity over at the end. 

 

These are the same people who bitched about the end of Mass Effect 3, without realizing the entire game was the end. They focused on that last cutscene. 

01. My point has very little to do with Ellie.  You're right in the sense that, yeah, you're buckled in to the choices she wants to make.  You "own" her fate on a very minuscule level – your input, as a player, controls whether or not she dies and how she advances through enemy forces.  But story wise, we are at whim of the writers, and the writers really dropped the ball this time around.  The story is drenched in revenge to the point where anyone with two eyes and a brain can comprehend – early on – that the end doesn't justify the means.  But you take a backseat and have a full view of Ellie making the decisions she does, only to be told by the game's conclusion that "hey revenge just isn't worth it, m'kay?"  We knew that.  We should know that.  It'd be like playing a game where the entire premise was to speed through rural neighborhoods without a seatbelt, and having it conclude with you hitting a toddler before driving straight into a telephone pole and killing yourself.  Leaving you, the player, to sit back in awe and process... huh, I guess, really, we shouldn't be going 35 through suburb streets.  Wow.  This changes things for me.. It's too on-the-nose.  It doesn't give you, the player, enough credit to differentiate right from wrong or identify a slippery slope.  A lot of people are rightfully annoyed by how disconnected they feel as a result.  TLOU1 put you in the shoes of Joel who loses his only daughter in the opening moments, and eventually thaws out to care for and protect Ellie.  That was relatable.  His decisions made sense, even if you didn't full agree with them, and you could see the direction they were going.  You were rooting for them and every step they took.  Getting to the settlement.  Chasing answers.  The adventure was positive and kept you glued.  This time around, it's not difficult to see things go sideways really early on, but helplessly sigh knowing that you're committed either way.

 

02. Eh, debatable.  I think that's the beauty of TLOU1, and its ending for that matter.  It didn't need a sequel.  Of course I'd love to see more of the world, the lore, and the environment it established... but Joel and Ellie's story was left in such a fresh, up-in-the-air spot.  There are arguments to be made on both sides of the line and I think that's great.  You have a daughter, do you not?  Are you telling me you'd willingly give up her life to save what was left of humanity?  I think that's an obvious decision on paper, but good luck to anyone being in those shoes.  We can chastise Joel all we want, but to reiterate on a point above, the man went 20 years being closed off from the world, after he lost his daughter.  Ellie became his one beacon of light.  He may've shot humanity in the foot but I challenge anyone to assess things differently in his shoes.

 

Additionally, Abby is a pretty shit, unlikeable character.  Ignoring her actions and just going off her personality and dynamics, it's pretty easy to see why the general consensus is that she's not a fun or interesting character to assume control over.  The game just takes some very questionable directions, and we need to remind ourselves that we waited 7 years for this.

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11 hours ago, throughbeingcruel said:

Did you get yours in yet? If so, what a fucking beast!! It’s fucking huge.  If the Ghost of Tsushima CE is as nice as this one, I’ll be so happy. 


Nope.  UPS screwed me on it.  Got an email Friday while I was at work saying “couldn’t complete delivery” so I needed to go pick it up from somewhere.  Whatever, wasn’t gonna be able to play it Friday anyways.  So I go to pick it up Saturday morning and the lady says “oh did they try to drop it off yesterday?  If so, that means you can’t get it until Monday.”  So yeah, kinda fucked my plans for playing it this weekend but it’s whatever.  Gave me a little more extra time with Celeste.

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16 hours ago, Derek™ said:

01. My point has very little to do with Ellie.  You're right in the sense that, yeah, you're buckled in to the choices she wants to make.  You "own" her fate on a very minuscule level – your input, as a player, controls whether or not she dies and how she advances through enemy forces.  But story wise, we are at whim of the writers, and the writers really dropped the ball this time around.  The story is drenched in revenge to the point where anyone with two eyes and a brain can comprehend – early on – that the end doesn't justify the means.  But you take a backseat and have a full view of Ellie making the decisions she does, only to be told by the game's conclusion that "hey revenge just isn't worth it, m'kay?"  We knew that.  We should know that.  It'd be like playing a game where the entire premise was to speed through rural neighborhoods without a seatbelt, and having it conclude with you hitting a toddler before driving straight into a telephone pole and killing yourself.  Leaving you, the player, to sit back in awe and process... huh, I guess, really, we shouldn't be going 35 through suburb streets.  Wow.  This changes things for me.. It's too on-the-nose.  It doesn't give you, the player, enough credit to differentiate right from wrong or identify a slippery slope.  A lot of people are rightfully annoyed by how disconnected they feel as a result.  TLOU1 put you in the shoes of Joel who loses his only daughter in the opening moments, and eventually thaws out to care for and protect Ellie.  That was relatable.  His decisions made sense, even if you didn't full agree with them, and you could see the direction they were going.  You were rooting for them and every step they took.  Getting to the settlement.  Chasing answers.  The adventure was positive and kept you glued.  This time around, it's not difficult to see things go sideways really early on, but helplessly sigh knowing that you're committed either way.

 

 

 

02. Eh, debatable.  I think that's the beauty of TLOU1, and its ending for that matter.  It didn't need a sequel.  Of course I'd love to see more of the world, the lore, and the environment it established... but Joel and Ellie's story was left in such a fresh, up-in-the-air spot.  There are arguments to be made on both sides of the line and I think that's great.  You have a daughter, do you not?  Are you telling me you'd willingly give up her life to save what was left of humanity?  I think that's an obvious decision on paper, but good luck to anyone being in those shoes.  We can chastise Joel all we want, but to reiterate on a point above, the man went 20 years being closed off from the world, after he lost his daughter.  Ellie became his one beacon of light.  He may've shot humanity in the foot but I challenge anyone to assess things differently in his shoes.

 

 

 

Additionally, Abby is a pretty shit, unlikeable character.  Ignoring her actions and just going off her personality and dynamics, it's pretty easy to see why the general consensus is that she's not a fun or interesting character to assume control over.  The game just takes some very questionable directions, and we need to remind ourselves that we waited 7 years for this.

Basically not gonna read any further than “the story is full of revenge” because i’d like to play it myself. I don’t give a shit what you think. Don’t give a shit what ACG or Dreamcast Guy think. Only care what I think. 

 

And you haven't even played the game, so shut the fuck up and let everyone enjoy it, dickhead. You’ve been arguing with me over ignorant shit for like five years and I’m over it. 

9 hours ago, Rip said:


Nope.  UPS screwed me on it.  Got an email Friday while I was at work saying “couldn’t complete delivery” so I needed to go pick it up from somewhere.  Whatever, wasn’t gonna be able to play it Friday anyways.  So I go to pick it up Saturday morning and the lady says “oh did they try to drop it off yesterday?  If so, that means you can’t get it until Monday.”  So yeah, kinda fucked my plans for playing it this weekend but it’s whatever.  Gave me a little more extra time with Celeste.

So glad I ended up getting one from work instead of amazon because the amazon one I cancelled wasn’t even supposed to arrive until tomorrow. I had to work all weekend so I’m really just getting into it today. 

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1 hour ago, throughbeingcruel said:

Basically not gonna read any further than “the story is full of revenge” because i’d like to play it myself. I don’t give a shit what you think. Don’t give a shit what ACG or Dreamcast Guy think. Only care what I think. 

 

And you haven't even played the game, so shut the fuck up and let everyone enjoy it, dickhead. You’ve been arguing with me over ignorant shit for like five years and I’m over it. 

Hey, maybe stop being an ignorant shit mongrel for half a decade?  Of course I get in tiffs with people on the board, but I hold no vendetta.  You’re getting heat because you continuously prove yourself to be a fucking clown.  My response to you was crafted to discuss the plot of the original, address points you’ve made, and avoid insulting you in the process.  But you can’t handle that.  You had to plug your fingers into your ears and swing below the belt.  So, no, dude.  Fuck you and your pathetic contributions to this board.  “Only care what I think.” is such a majestic sentence from you – really illustrates the aforementioned ignorance and puts your general intelligence on display.  Enjoy your ratchety revenge porn, you degenerate man-child.

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IGNORE IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THE GAME.

 

Got platinum for TLoU2. I have mixed feelings on it. A handful of complaints. I'd say 8 - 8.5/10 after replaying it (my opinions are still shifting / evolving), and giving a couple days to digest the ending. There's been a lot of hate for the game, a lot of it undeserved, a fair amount deserved. Well, let me take that back, I say the hate isn't deserving, but there are definitely parts that I didn't like and were disappointed by. Some things I *almost* hate, but more so just question parts that seem out of place. The main problem for me was pacing, and just not giving two shits about Abby. I think they could have done that better, even if they kept the ending that I wasn't a fan of. And I'm fine with not getting the ending *I* wanted, I just wanted it to make more sense, and feel more accurate. 

 

Problems, but none of which were that major: *spoilers*

- Joel wouldn't give his real name to a bunch of strangers, invite them back to his camp right off the bat, and leave himself open in a room full of them. Maybe he has gotten old, and let his guard down, he's tired, etc. but come on. I mean, sure, they needed that to happen to set up the whole plot of the game, but I still am slightly annoyed by it, but not as much as other parts. [I just watched] Neil says that Joel has changed over the last 4 years, he feels safe. He said that Joel didn't see Abby as a threat, because he just saved her, along with Abby being Ellie's age.. And he was more so sizing up the rest of them, and was more focused on killing "hunters" and that Abby's group was more so just a group of people. He wanted to bring them back to Jackson and see what's what. But all it took was one moment of that to fail. (I get that, and it's not a huge negative to me. It just felt off.)

- Abby doesn't have a personality. (Neil and others explain it in the podcast, and I get where they're coming from but it just didn't work for me). I didn't connect with her whatsoever. And you play through as her for 10 hours? Let's even take the fact that she kills Joel, she's just so boring. I don't care about her. And the whole point is to go find Owen, who I also don' give two fucks about. Every character on that side is bland, and I'm not invested in any of them, because why should I be. So Joel killed her dad, and? I know what that meant. I know what Joel did. Joel ultimately is the bad guy in Part I, but we still love Joel. Even if we are forced to play as Abby, did it need to be that long, I mean my god. You play for like 12 hours as Ellie and it's building and building, and then 'ok now play it all through the side of Abby'. I get what they were doing, two sides of story, but sorry, I don't care. It didn't bother me as much playing through again and letting it digest, but I just didn't care. Switch Abby out with anyone new and I would feel the same. I don't care about someone else's view, because I have been invested in Joel and Ellie for 7 years. That's what ND made us feel. She also has no remorse, at no time does she reflect on anything, she tortured Joel and doesn't give a fuck. Her helping strangers was just a front. She is a just a  fucking robot, and is evil. Joel might have fucked the world, but he did it as a "Dad". Abby just wants to kill. There's no connection, because she has no connection, except to killing and quarters. Ellie = human. Abby = robot. 

- I know that revenge is ultimately pointless, and that's an underlying theme, but to go through all of that, everything, and you let Abby go? You give up so much and then just let her go? She killed Joel. She killed your friends. She was about to kill your pregnant girlfriend and only stopped cause her new friend was there judging her. She tried to kill Tommy. She is the one who set out for revenge in the first place. Yet you let her live. All of that and you let her live. You give up your new life, your partner, her kid, your home, and you risk the thing you've feared the most in life: being alone. Not only that, but now she can't play guitar which is the one thing that she had left that connected her to Joel. I get it where "revenge is pointless", but man, if you would have killed Abby at the end and had a feeling of "ok she's dead, but I gave up everything for it" would have been equally if not more heartbreaking, cause you get the satisfaction of killing her, but you lost everything for it, and your worst fear came true. Worth it? That would have made me rethink it all, reconsider my feelings on the ending, etc. 

- Also what the fuck was up with Tommy? (Across the series) Don't go. Go. Don't go. Go even though now I can't. We're pretty much following behind him the whole game, when I would have preferred to team up with him, or at least team up at some point, and not feel like I'm just killing his leftovers and the people coming after him. That just didn't track with me, but wasn't a huge issue. I know he lost a lot, but what if he didn't come back to tell Ellie about finding Abby...

- Didn't really appreciate Dina leaving after all of that. We went to kill Abby that whole time, which she was cool with, while pregnant, and she leaves you now cause you go after her? I mean come on, after all of that, after all they'd been through, she leaves? You don't exactly have tons of options in the infected world after all, Dina. But fine, you have settled down, have a kid, time, perspective, etc. but still. Ugh. I get it though, revenge, not worth it, yada yada, taking Ellie reaching her lowest to finally get it. (Apparently at one point the draft was that Ellie puts one of JJ's toys in her pocket and that walks off as if to maybe go back to Jackson? But Neil said that answered too much, and doesn't know himself what is going to happen. It's open to interpretation.) But again, they're both young, 19, not sure how long the life expectancy is these days, but still, rough. 

- Pacing. Pacing. Pacing. Also, there were 10 hours of cut scenes. Some of which could have been trimmed down. 

 

Other annoyances:

- They said we wouldn't be playing as another character - why lie.

- Trophy Hunting: 2/10 for difficulty - glad they got rid of difficulty and multiplayer trophies, but could have had more "achievements".

- Multiplayer shipping separately. 

 

Really, I won't complain about not getting the ending I wanted, but I feel like a few changes to character choices could have made the story work a lot better. I'm trying to not let the ending weigh too much overall on the score, but it's hard when it's a story driven game.

 

Gameplay: 9/10 - only thing I'd change is not button mash to get out of things. God damn that is some intense and satisfying gameplay.

Graphics: 10/10 - easily the best looking game on the console.

Sound: 10/10 - holy shit, the detail. I really enjoyed playing with headphones.

Accessibility: 10/10 - so many options, just wow. 

Voice: 9/10

Story: 5/10 - ugh.

 

Really, the story (more so the ending) is what made this game a lower score for me. If the pacing and ending were different I could have been 9/10 or maybe even 10/10. I loved it, because of my love for the series, but I doubt I'll end up ever going back to it, which makes me sad. After watching that podcast I kinda want to replay it, I just need to have a little break first. Maybe I'll replay the first one for the 10th time (or whatever number I'm up to). 

 

Currently waiting for my buddy to finish it, who actually got me into the game when it came out (he was my roommate). I bought him a copy cause I was so excited for us to play together and chat about it, and he is just on Ellie Seattle Day 3, so I'm over here like "hurry up so we can talk"! I have a lot of pent up feelings and I'm really curious what he is going to think of the game as a whole when he finishes it.

 

I suggest giving this a watch. It really helped me understand and help lessen some of the problems I had with the game.

 

Games to fill my time til Ghost:

- Control DLC - finally grabbed it cause it's on sale. Loved the base game. Have to wait for Part 2. 

- Fry Cry 3 - another sale, we'll see if I get to it. 

- Persona 5 - don't know if I'll end up touching this. I'm still on the fence. 

- Uncharted 4 - playing TLoU2 made me download this again. I thought it was ok the first time. Wanna see if my opinion changes the 2nd go after a few years.

 

Waiting for:

-Nioh 2 DLC - really loved Nioh 2. Better than the original. 

- Ghost of Tsushima - pretty much just killing time til this comes out. Thought TLoU2 would be taking up more of my time than a week...

- Skater XL - hopefully it's better than Sessions.

- Tony Hawk 1+2 - can't fucking wait. 

- Cyberpunk - hopefully worth the wait.

- PS5

 

(I'll probably end of editing this here and there, because there was no draft. I'm still a bit annoyed by it, and I can't vent to my girlfriend cause she doesn't get it. Haha.)

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Trying to keep this spoiler free, but I was glad what happened in the end happened. At that point I thought Ellie was ridiculous for continuing after everything that went down and seeing how Abby completely mirrored Joel (who was a complete garbage person before meeting Ellie and finding his kinder side for seemingly no reason... same as Abby with Lev). 

 

I fucking hated having to play as Abby for the first hour or two but she grew on me once I noticed how Joel-like she was. I just feel like Naughty Dog went too far with her muscles for a lot of people to stop and empathize with her as much as a child or a good looking woman. The internet got mad she was trans before release too which is kind of hilarious because she's just BUILT.

 

 

My main beef is that aiming the bow is hard for no reason now. Lobbing an arrow across the map through someone's neck in the first game was so satisfying but nearly impossible in part 2.

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12 hours ago, MachoHommeRandallSauvage said:

Really enjoyed the first one, played the beta for 2 and couldn't get into it. Worth giving it a chance?

Oh for sure. I think it was hard to really appreciate everything in the beta. After I played it I was a bit worried / skeptical.  It definitely took one play through of the whole game to get to the point where I decided on what build I wanted, and could see how everything worked together. And then another play through to really be fluid with it, understand all the mechanics (same old, some new), and experience how fun the sequel is. I put 400 hours into it mind you. My build is Lvl 300 with 160/170 +10 gear, and I platinum-ed it. It might not take you that long, but it is a grind after all, if you really want to be DLC ready. As you probably know, NG+ is your real play through. Things get harder, enemies hit harder, etc., but your build shines once you're about half way through (if you did it correctly). But that's where I think a lot of the fun is, min maxing your build. Plus they have build load outs now which is nice, so you can run multiple builds a lot easier. 

 

I went for a dual sword poison build, cause poison is OP as fuck in this. And added Windstorm damage to everything. I'm a bay blade. 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1POyLHSWnjTn57zOkGbdih5xKtiyiaDfQ?usp=sharing

 

I'd suggest checking out the trade discord for getting gear / stats you want. Was really helpful, and everyone is super nice.

https://discord.com/channels/537727796542308378/692156440659361872

 

Let me know if you have any questions about anything and I'll be more than happy to answer. Hope you're doing well, my dude!

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Dave Grohl said:

Oh for sure. I think it was hard to really appreciate everything in the beta. After I played it I was a bit worried / skeptical.  It definitely took one play through of the whole game to get to the point where I decided on what build I wanted, and could see how everything worked together. And then another play through to really be fluid with it, understand all the mechanics (same old, some new), and experience how fun the sequel is. I put 400 hours into it mind you. My build is Lvl 300 with 160/170 +10 gear, and I platinum-ed it. It might not take you that long, but it is a grind after all, if you really want to be DLC ready. As you probably know, NG+ is your real play through. Things get harder, enemies hit harder, etc., but your build shines once you're about half way through (if you did it correctly). But that's where I think a lot of the fun is, min maxing your build. Plus they have build load outs now which is nice, so you can run multiple builds a lot easier. 

 

I went for a dual sword poison build, cause poison is OP as fuck in this. And added Windstorm damage to everything. I'm a bay blade. 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1POyLHSWnjTn57zOkGbdih5xKtiyiaDfQ?usp=sharing

 

I'd suggest checking out the trade discord for getting gear / stats you want. Was really helpful, and everyone is super nice.

https://discord.com/channels/537727796542308378/692156440659361872

 

Let me know if you have any questions about anything and I'll be more than happy to answer. Hope you're doing well, my dude!

 

 

 

 

Thanks, dude! I'm doing pretty great, hope you're well!

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  • 4 weeks later...

Severely underwhelmed by the XBox/Microsoft presser.

I thought Playstation/Sony did a much better job of showcasing their coming games while Xbox focused on the console, which is w/e because all the games will also be on PC anyway...

 

Overall I'd say it was a very light 5-6/10 presentation while PS5 was a 9/10. Xbox just a handful of games I felt were exciting or intrigued by, otherwise very bland and stagnant. 

 

PS5-
    
The Pathless
Stray
Project Athia
Returnal
Kena Bridge of Spirits
Jett The Far Shore
Hitman 3
Little Devil Inside
Horizon Forbidden West

 

XBox-

 

Halo

Everwild
Avowed
Hellblade 2
Fable
 

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It's interesting to see other people's thoughts because I'm the opposite. I've loved PS since the original console but I was so underwhelmed with the lack of variety and hardly any confirmed launch titles. There's no reason for the console to come out with how few will be available this year. Just about every Xbox game seemed worthwhile to me and I think the launch for Xbox will be much better. Hardware seems better IMO and I respect their work into getting all those games on Game Pass and on PC. I don't even like Xbox that much but man Sony has let me down big time. Good thing I bought a gaming PC last year.

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