kirbypuckett Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Even though I don't share their music tastes much anymore, I just read all of the Staff lists on Punknews.org and noticed this in Justin's: http://www.punknews.org/review/7924 The Vinyl Bubble I mean really -- if you're into buying it for the money, sell high, quick. Pressing eight colors and packaging them as a deal with a pint glass, beer stein and a bottle opener is quickly killing the joy of collecting. I've fallen prey to it myself -- who wants a copy of [[the Falcon]] 10"? -- and can see how it's taking away the joy of actually finding rare vinyl. The Vinyl Collective approach has commoditized and ran into the ground the concept of colored vinyl. If you're shopping for wall decorations it's a nice, cheap way to get some pretty colored disks -- but if you're wanting to own a piece of history (in my eye, the purpose of "rare" vinyl), you're just buying the Wal-Mart version of it. Sorry Virgil, this is no offense to you and I know you love what you do, but this isn't fun anymore -- it's just tedious. To be clear, I'm very pro- the institution of vinyl and colored vinyl as a special thing. What I take issue with is taking the fun, the danger and the hunt out of finding those rare pieces of wax -- leading people to buy still-in-print 7"'s for 10 times the cost on eBay! I think everyone can agree that shit like that is ridiculous. Thoughts? P.S. - My top list can be found here if you're interested can be found here: http://kirbypuckett.wordpress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericxthexred Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 i agree to a point... the amount of "limited edition" versions of records has gotten retarded. not every record needs 10 colors, and why no black? if you're talking about PURE listenable quality, black vinyl is 100% the best way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 While I think it was unfair to single out Virgil on this one, I agree whole-heartedly with the sentiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddle350 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Vinyl Collective didn't kill the "thrill of the hunt" so to speak. The internet did. and as far as people spend 10x what something is worth on ebay just means that there are a ton of really stupid people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flicker Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 i kind of agree with it. Also, Kirby, props on the blog. solid lists. i hope you will accept my blog friendship http://heythatsawesome.wordpress.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 I think its just ridiculous. You can still hunt for that super old first press of whatever record if you want it. I love that things are getting repressed now so that if someone wants a copy to listen to then its easier to get you dont have to spend a ton of cash just to get something to listen to. If you want a specific rare version of something you can still try to track it down. I think that whole thing was stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melikecheese Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 totally agree, but not sure on how widespread this is. Punk rock seems to be one of the few genres (with the exception of Alive repressing the Big Come Up) that are pressing and pressing and pressing. Taking some kids to the bank. I can't help but be disappointed when someones record list has 50 items but only actually 10 cause everything is just a different color of the same albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante3000 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 I get what he's saying and to a degree I agree. I think a lot of the issues people will find with the above statement is that it's static, short and open to interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 I get what he's saying and to a degree I agree. I think a lot of the issues people will find with the above statement is that it's static, short and open to interpretation. Just like your dong...hey-o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translatingthename Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 this is a never-ending arguement anyway you look at it. that being said, i wish more albums were just pressed on black to keep the "trendiness" out of it, bc that's the aspect i don't like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarondanger Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 killer post. i think 70% of people who post here are genuine about record collecting. You can tell by the list of records they have and how often they sell off the records they own. Vinylcollective has made collecting EASY. some records were not meant for you to own (test pressings,record release versions) and i dont think some people understand. After some time all this hype behind rare vinyl will die, and people who only give a shit about that will be left holding the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 killer post.i think 70% of people who post here are genuine about record collecting. You can tell by the list of records they have and how often they sell off the records they own. Vinylcollective has made collecting EASY. some records were not meant for you to own (test pressings,record release versions) and i dont think some people understand. After some time all this hype behind rare vinyl will die, and people who only give a shit about that will be left holding the bag. +1 for the NOFX refrence wheather it was on purpose or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante3000 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Also, I will be selling a lot of my variants come new years and focus on buying records I don't own on vinyl. I'd much rather have a good record collection than a good Gaslight Anthem Collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 i like how he slams VC but then says no offense virgil. the ebay pricing is more the buyer's fault than the seller's. until stupid people stop paying the astronomical prices there will always be someone capitalizing off them. with me i dont care about tracking down the rarest variant and i dont get pissed if i missed out on ordering something that's /100 or /17. if a record i want is OOP and theres no sign of a repress im perfectly happy with just finding a copy for a reasonable price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 killer post.i think 70% of people who post here are genuine about record collecting. You can tell by the list of records they have and how often they sell off the records they own. Vinylcollective has made collecting EASY. some records were not meant for you to own (test pressings,record release versions) and i dont think some people understand. After some time all this hype behind rare vinyl will die, and people who only give a shit about that will be left holding the bag. I'm not sure I understand. Are people who sell off some records less genuine about collecting? Because I just sold off a bunch of stuff that was very near and dear to me in order to afford records that are more important to me....does that make me less genuine of a collector? I have been buying vinyl since about 1990 and sometimes it's necessary to sell things to a) make room for more records, get rid of records you don't listen to or c) to afford high-dollar rarities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melikecheese Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 After some time all this hype behind rare vinyl will die, and people who only give a shit about that will be left holding the bag. hype about rare vinyl will never die, however I think the pre-release hype will die, post-release, post-sellout hype and hunting for rare records will never die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goraiders Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 i don't think vc is bad at all, the color breakdowns seem totally reasonable. Plus its not like people are making you buy the pint glass etc. If youre a big fan and you want it, you buy it. Who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melikecheese Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 i don't think vc is bad at all, the color breakdowns seem totally reasonable. Plus its not like people are making you buy the pint glass etc. If youre a big fan and you want it, you buy it. Who cares? I took this as not the pint glasses and other items but as hey we are releaseing an LP, its limited to 1000 on 2 colors. sold out. jsut kidding, we pressed another 100, this time on these colors. hurry it'll sell out! sold out. just kidding! we pressed 2000 more, with 8 colors. hurry they will sell out!!! sold out. all in a span of 3 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 It's called "Gaslight Anthem syndrome" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinylme Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 if he is going to attack virgil about this then he needs to go after no-idea, robotic empire and a bunch of other labels doing the same things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hickey Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 if he is going to attack virgil about this then he needs to go after no-idea, robotic empire and a bunch of other labels doing the same things. I think he was just using VC as an example, mostly because it's more visible to a lot of people than those other labels/distros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadetapplesauce Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 i'd like to sell certain parts of my collection, but i've got too much of a connection with some records that i'd just feel guilty if i sold em (records that i got the hook up on from people in bands/labels). in my opinion, represses are fine. multiple colors are whatever, i'm over it. i agree that once the hype is over, we won't really have anything to worry about. i think a lot of people are going to be jumping the variant ship this year. i already kinda started... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattisr1984 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 i agree but i think singling out VC/virgil is sort of shitty since theres a ton of other labels at fault, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokithelion Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Under stand what he's saying, but think it's a bit unfair to pinpoint V. That being said, I would love to get a shirt and a pint glass w/ out having to buy both colors of a release. It seems retarded for someone who's such a big fan of No Idea though to shit on multicolor releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 i don't think vc is bad at all, the color breakdowns seem totally reasonable. Plus its not like people are making you buy the pint glass etc. If youre a big fan and you want it, you buy it. Who cares? I took this as not the pint glasses and other items but as hey we are releaseing an LP, its limited to 1000 on 2 colors. sold out. jsut kidding, we pressed another 100, this time on these colors. hurry it'll sell out! sold out. just kidding! we pressed 2000 more, with 8 colors. hurry they will sell out!!! sold out. all in a span of 3 months. No one is obligated to buy anything they dont want. If you want to collect all the variants then thats up to you. I like keeping records in print so I can pick it up if I just want a copy to listen to and then if you want the rare variant or first press or whatever then you are free to hunt that down. I think how Fat does it is perfect. Make X amount of records on 1 color as somewhat of a first press then keep pressing it on black from then on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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