robotnerd Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 it's true there are similarities, but all 3 of those bands were contemporaries, and while together, rorschach and deadguy were bigger than botch was. but they all got their start right around the same time... it just happened that botch didn't get "big" until they were ready to break up, and it took them longer to start releasing full lengths. man, deadguy was so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 also, Botch put out one good album and a bunch of albums i'll never get the urge to listen to again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotnerd Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 also, Botch put out one good album and a bunch of albums i'll never get the urge to listen to again. you're both crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 The first half of Anthology is fucking great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 i forgot about anthology. two albums i love. i could do without american nervoso. i hate that i sound like a botch-hater. if you only knew how much i love them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakland Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I think American Nervoso is my favorite Botch record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 No, i understand. American Nervoso pales in comparison to WATR, but what doesn't, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I think American Nervoso is my favorite Botch record. ive had many a friend tell me the same. i just cant get into it. maybe if i get the vinyl repress itll spark something for me. [assuming its in the works] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotnerd Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 the only botch record i don't LOVE is unifying themes. we are the romans is one of my favorite records of all time. i think anthology is an incredible ep. american nervoso is a killer debut full length. the live cd/dvd is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakland Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dude, read what I actually said about Snapcase and Botch. Botch is the kind of band Snapcase WANTED to be. I never said they sound like one another. Snapcase is way more down-tempo and, frankly, boring. But they have that almost electronic guitar feel that Botch did so well. I always felt Snapcase was going for a futuristic hardcore sound, which is what Botch achieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I haven't heard anything at all about re-pressing any of the vinyl. But you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 the only botch record i don't LOVE is unifying themes.we are the romans is one of my favorite records of all time. i think anthology is an incredible ep. american nervoso is a killer debut full length. the live cd/dvd is amazing. Fully backed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotnerd Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dude, read what I actually said about Snapcase and Botch. Botch is the kind of band Snapcase WANTED to be. I never said they sound like one another. Snapcase is way more down-tempo and, frankly, boring. But they have that almost electronic guitar feel that Botch did so well. I always felt Snapcase was going for a futuristic hardcore sound, which is what Botch achieved. i read what you said, and i fully understood it. however, to say botch is the type of band snapcase always wanted to be implies there is stylistic similarities between the two. which i don't really hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 when i first bought the botch cd/dvd and popped the cd into my car stereo i was so disappointed. its sloppy as all hell. but then i got home and watched the dvd and was blown the fuck away. it was their last show ever. theyre allowed to go fucking nuts and fuck up a few parts here and there. and the commentary is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dude, read what I actually said about Snapcase and Botch. Botch is the kind of band Snapcase WANTED to be. I never said they sound like one another. Snapcase is way more down-tempo and, frankly, boring. But they have that almost electronic guitar feel that Botch did so well. I always felt Snapcase was going for a futuristic hardcore sound, which is what Botch achieved. Now that you've explained in more detail, I'll definitely agree with this. The whole "futuristic" sound came mostly from Dave's guitar tone, tapping and angular riffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skumbucket Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 this topic has changed five times. i love it. i would also love to hear some botch/justin timberlake mash-ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 when i first bought the botch cd/dvd and popped the cd into my car stereo i was so disappointed. its sloppy as all hell. but then i got home and watched the dvd and was blown the fuck away. it was their last show ever. theyre allowed to go fucking nuts and fuck up a few parts here and there. and the commentary is hilarious. Yeah, the drink-every-time-you-fuck-up rule is classic. And then drinking for "shitty rock moves" is icing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 this topic has changed five times. i love it.i would also love to hear some botch/justin timberlake mash-ups. Yeah, let's have a contest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfedaykinx Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 when i first bought the botch cd/dvd and popped the cd into my car stereo i was so disappointed. its sloppy as all hell. but then i got home and watched the dvd and was blown the fuck away. it was their last show ever. theyre allowed to go fucking nuts and fuck up a few parts here and there. and the commentary is hilarious. Yeah, the drink-every-time-you-fuck-up rule is classic. And then drinking for "shitty rock moves" is icing. i love when one of them says they were ripping off norma jean on a particular riff. i think i may have literally slapped my knee on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotnerd Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Yeah, the drink-every-time-you-fuck-up rule is classic. And then drinking for "shitty rock moves" is icing. i love when one of them says they were ripping off norma jean on a particular riff. i think i may have literally slapped me knee on that one. i laughed out loud when they said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Yeah, most of it is very LOL-worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgoodcore Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 is it ever possible to find a band that doesnt' sound in some time like some other band? i mean if you dig hard enough i'm sure you'd find most bands' influences. rare is it you get a band that's completely unique and i would dare to say that just means they hide their influences well and/or combine enough so you don't notice. what gets me is when bands straight-out cover other bands. you get that a lot when big mainstream movements come from more underground ones. hell, you probably get it when you get big mainstream movements period. the arena rock of the 70s is a good example. i can't tell kansas from styx from all the other fucking crap. you got the same in the 80s with the mass amount of bad pop metal bands. in the 90s it was watering down and copying the grunge sound out of seattle. now its all these bands trying to sound like copies of copies of copies of "hardcore" bands, which has been labeled emo by the masses - something i'll never figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronniethebear Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 is it ever possible to find a band that doesnt' sound in some time like some other band? i mean if you dig hard enough i'm sure you'd find most bands' influences. rare is it you get a band that's completely unique and i would dare to say that just means they hide their influences well and/or combine enough so you don't notice.what gets me is when bands straight-out cover other bands. you get that a lot when big mainstream movements come from more underground ones. hell, you probably get it when you get big mainstream movements period. the arena rock of the 70s is a good example. i can't tell kansas from styx from all the other fucking crap. you got the same in the 80s with the mass amount of bad pop metal bands. in the 90s it was watering down and copying the grunge sound out of seattle. now its all these bands trying to sound like copies of copies of copies of "hardcore" bands, which has been labeled emo by the masses - something i'll never figure. It's a glorified marketing scheme perpetuated by the mainstream music business, i.e. major labels, MTV, etc. They take something new and fresh, and they homogenize it. Watch the documentary "Hype!" if you haven't seen it already. It's about the rise and fall of the Seattle "grunge" scene. You can basically apply that scenario to what's happening now with all the Hot Topic bands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skumbucket Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 that's six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakland Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Is it commonly accepted that Norma Jean is a rip off of Botch? Honestly, I don't see it. Norma Jean just rocks out. I don't find their music very complicated or technical. Botch, on the other hand, is all about being technical and original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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