mattisr1984 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Guess what? Ruiner didn't pay for those test presses. Virgil did. He can do whatever the fuck he likes with them, even if he said in an email that he'd send some to the band along with their retail copies. I doubt they had an ironclad contract for this release. Dude's most likely using whatever little money he got from selling a test press from two broken-up, semi-obscure bands to help pay down his bills with labels/distributors. You know, the people he actually owes real money to. i agree. fuck ruiner in ther stupid non ironclad contract having asses. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Scott posts the harsh truth and made me giggle for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamlikesmusic Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Of course he can do whatever he wants with them - and in this case, doing so made him a sketchy guy. Ripping off one group of people to pay back another (which is a massive assumption on your part) doesn't make it any less wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinscam Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I've pretty much given up on ever seeing the final VCCoop release or my money back. Really unfortunate how all this VC shit ended. yeah well, you never had an ironclad contract for the co-op. so yeah, it's totes cool for him to take your money to pay for other things bro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themean Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm glad Scott's not my lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deafmx Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 someone please post some virgil memes, please this. been waiting for 2 pages for shit to blow up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm glad Scott's not my lawyer. pretty much this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpearin Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I don't know. I see Scott's point, but I'd still be pretty downed if someone who pressed something of my band promised me a test press and ended up not sending one or even getting back to me about it. At least make the dude pay cost or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithkd24 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm glad Scott's not my lawyer. I'm so happy you decided to weigh in on the topic! Your insight was essential into creating a better understanding of the issue. Please, keep posting; you're doing a great job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickheitman Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 holy shit, scott you are so fucking stupid. you are the only one who can get me sucked into a thread enough to post haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 holy shit, scott you are so fucking stupid. you are the only one who can get me sucked into a thread enough to post haha. I'm so happy you decided to weigh in on the topic! Your insight was essential into creating a better understanding of the issue. Please, keep posting; you're doing a great job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm glad Scott's not my lawyer. I'm so happy you decided to weigh in on the topic! Your insight was essential into creating a better understanding of the issue. Please, keep posting; you're doing a great job! so, like your insight on written agreements? an email agreement is just that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud87 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'd still be pretty downed if someone who pressed something of my band promised me a test press and ended up not sending one or even getting back to me about it. At least make the dude pay cost or something. That and there was 20 of these test presses. 20. Band didn't get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviex2shoes Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Not trying to minimize anyone's losses (financial or otherwise), but to the dude from Ruiner: Was this really necessary? The guy got you the actual records he owed you (you know, the ones you could potentially sell and make money off of). It's not like he stiffed you on actual product; he just didn't get you what more or less amounts to a souvenir of the record. I hate to tell you to get over it, but, yeah: Get over it. It's a test press of a split 7-inch where you covered an Oasis song. This is not your legacy. Your great-grandchildren will not care about this. This does not define you. I'm so happy you decided to weigh in on the topic! Your insight was essential into creating a better understanding of the issue. Please, keep posting; you're doing a great job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearchuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Hey Ruiner ... not trying to minimize your loss, but eat shit because Virgil owes more important people money. Also, you're broken up and semi-obscure, but just to reiterate, I'm not trying to minimize you. Seriously though, I have zero problem with this dude's post. He obviously isn't familiar with the situation or a regular visitor to VC. Homeboy was simply exhausting his options in trying to get some resolution / insight. Post every damn day and beat a dead horse for all I care cause you know what - these threads are endlessly entertaining in a horrible, Virgil-created-a-giant-dumpster-fire-and-a-lot-of-people-got-burned sort of way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickteen Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Not trying to minimize anyone's losses (financial or otherwise), but to the dude from Ruiner: Was this really necessary? The guy got you the actual records he owed you (you know, the ones you could potentially sell and make money off of). It's not like he stiffed you on actual product; he just didn't get you what more or less amounts to a souvenir of the record. I hate to tell you to get over it, but, yeah: Get over it. It's a test press of a split 7-inch where you covered an Oasis song. This is not your legacy. Your great-grandchildren will not care about this. This does not define you. Read the bolded part, now read the rest of quoted users comment. Don't know who you are Scott, and don't care, but keeping your word means something to some of us. Obviously not to you. It's a coward move to dodge people you've made promises to, or have blatantly ripped off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowserhound Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 If Dick-in-son purely did not get around to send them out is one thing, but the guy made a promise and then went behind the bands back and sold them. That's some weak shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephensmeal Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Alright guys, I was just trying to get some info (shake the bushes and see what runs out) and I got that (I've been emailed two phone numbers that are different from the one we had for him before). I usually don't frequent this board other than the Sales / Trades section so I had not been aware of the ongoing problem. He had been relatively responsive to us (I realize everyone has lives) the two years and a half years between recording that cover and the record coming out. It was just recently that he wouldn't response. Thanks for the help, sympathy, or constructive criticism from everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkfoster8 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Living in Denver, I wondering if this idiot is anywhere near me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themean Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I'm glad Scott's not my lawyer. I'm so happy you decided to weigh in on the topic! Your insight was essential into creating a better understanding of the issue. Please, keep posting; you're doing a great job! You want more insight? Fine, but please don't send me anymore vaguely threatening PMs. As usual, you are wrong on many different levels: 1. You think are smarter than you are. 2. You have issues with logical thought and end up firing in all directions, many times with thoughts that are non-responsive. 3. You are a constant Virgil apologist. 4. Dude was not looking for advice about a lawsuit, so your comment about an "iron-clad contract" was not relevant to the situation. 5. Virgil is a dick here, contract or no. 6. Although the law on contracts differs from state to state, there are some pretty uniform rules on what equals a contract. Being "iron clad" is not one of them. Contract require an offer, acceptance and consideration from both parties. In other words, Virgil offers X number of records and test presses in exchange for the right to release a song. Assuming the email about the test presses was sent prior to the song being sent in, then it is part of the offer. Sending the song in (performance) = acceptance. Consideration from Virgil to the band is X number of records and the test presses. Consideration from the band to Virgil is the song, and allowing Virgil to press copies and sell them. That means that there was a contract under the law. Whether or not the contract was breached is another story (how long does Virgil have to perform (i.e. send the test press to the band?) But you didn't talk about breach at all, only about the contract itself existing. The advantage to having a clearly written contract signed by both parties is that it is easier to prove a breach, but that is not a requirement for a valid contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 ^+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindovermatter Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Guess what? Ruiner didn't pay for those test presses. Virgil did. He can do whatever the fuck he likes with them, even if he said in an email that he'd send some to the band along with their retail copies. I doubt they had an ironclad contract for this release. Dude's most likely using whatever little money he got from selling a test press from two broken-up, semi-obscure bands to help pay down his bills with labels/distributors. You know, the people he actually owes real money to. I wish that he would've started selling off test presses two years ago to buy a new computer in order to respond to one of my emails. Dude owed me a drop in the bucket compared to most labels on here...could've paid me off with just a few obscure bands' "souvenirs" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentgods Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Just out of curiosity Scott, were you not one of the "team leaders" way back when? was wondering what that entailed. not trying to start shit with you. but if you're going to be a Virgil apologist. you can at least throw that in to the mix, as i'm sure you probably aren't out 60 dollars like a good deal of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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