Guest Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I never see how the original press price plays into the repress price. Who cares if it is more expensive on ebay? That doesn't mean you can overcharge for a new pressing. My thoughts exactly. You are buying a newly manufactured record, sleeve, and jacket, all of which have a fixed cost that is not affected in any way by what the out-of-print record costs on the second-hand market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thievesdont Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Not sure how it is outside of NY, but here I've seen independent stores charging anywhere from 18 to 20-something for new vinyl releases. It's not just internet prices. A lot of stores/distros have to charge that "much" just to break even. Remember when CDs were 18.99? bathroommonkey and youspinmeround 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusted_By_Space Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Man my local record store, which is a very cool spot, adds about 5-7 bucks on top of the "internet price". Most new lps in there are between 25-30 bucks regardless what record it is. I rarely pick up music there any more, just smoking supplies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow_Tree_Records Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 My thoughts exactly. You are buying a newly manufactured record, sleeve, and jacket, all of which have a fixed cost that is not affected in any way by what the out-of-print record costs on the second-hand market. To each their own. I paid $24 for a record I really want to spin instead of not owning it because I can't afford it. Success to me. crapforgenius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 To each their own. I paid $24 for a record I really want to spin instead of not owning it because I can't afford it. Success to me. That still has nothing to do with the price. Good for you for buying a record you enjoy. They are counting on people like you to pay those prices. I'm not even really complaining about the price, more so the fact that people try to justify it vs. ebay prices. throwgncpr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thievesdont Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 So whats the solution to lowering the price of records? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I edited my post a few minutes ago, if you want to check that out. I'm not complaining about the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thievesdont Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I edited my post a few minutes ago, if you want to check that out. I'm not complaining about the price. I didn't think that at all, just genuinely curious as to what users think can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
never Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I never see how the original press price plays into the repress price. Who cares if it is more expensive on ebay? That doesn't mean you can overcharge for a new pressing. I'm kinda shocked that people think that $19.99(Subscription price) -$21.99 is over charging. If they were asking $29.99 for this, then yes, I'd agree that they are over charging. But you really have to consider that this is an extemely limited pressing (500 green + 500 black). So 1000 records at $21.99 = $21990 Now, subtract the cost of: the plastics for the vinyl the cost of pressing set up charge the lables on the vinyl shrinkwrap sleeves labor cost in organizing the pressing shipping costs the bands cut the labels cut? paypal/credit card fee's (3%) ect, ect, ect In the end.....how much profit are they really making off this run of 1000? Do you expect SRC to break even on this? I guess I just dont think that the price is unreasonable. And in the end, you'll have a record that hold its value since its a very limited release. If you ever want to sell it down the road, you should be able to easily get your money back and possibly make a couple bucks too. Would you rather have one copy of an unlimited run at $14.99 or have one copy out of of 500 for $21.99? I'll take the limited edition for an extra $7 But then again....I went a little overboard with this hum release. I initially bought the full subscription just for the hum record. Then I bought the black and the green. And now I'm broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I was mostly commenting on that logic in general and not this specific case. I hear it in a lot of different circumstances and I just don't understand why it matters how much the original is going for on ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Oh, and you said vinylz. Kindly fuck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unwound Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 So whats the solution to lowering the price of records? Technically, there is none. Boycotting is a cute idea, but the reality of the matter is we'll have to wait for the "vinyl bubble" to pop before we see lower prices. But they've been saying that for years now, and with the advent eBay, I don't think things will ever be the same. I like to relate it to minimum wage, it's always going to go up to calibrate with cost of living expenses. Sorry for the rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thievesdont Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Technically, there is none. Boycotting is a cute idea, but the reality of the matter is we'll have to wait for the "vinyl bubble" to pop before we see lower prices. But they've been saying that for years now, and with the advent eBay, I don't think things will ever be the same. I like to relate it to minimum wage, it's always going to go up to calibrate with cost of living expenses. Sorry for the rant. Not a rant at all. An extreme sales drop would/should drop prices in theory, but also cause a lot of labels to pull out of the business if they weren't taking much in. unwound 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derkwithano Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 I'm kinda shocked that people think that $19.99(Subscription price) -$21.99 is over charging. If they were asking $29.99 for this, then yes, I'd agree that they are over charging. But you really have to consider that this is an extemely limited pressing (500 green + 500 black). So 1000 records at $21.99 = $21990 Now, subtract the cost of: the plastics for the vinyl the cost of pressing set up charge the lables on the vinyl shrinkwrap sleeves labor cost in organizing the pressing shipping costs the bands cut the labels cut? paypal/credit card fee's (3%) ect, ect, ect In the end.....how much profit are they really making off this run of 1000? Do you expect SRC to break even on this? I guess I just dont think that the price is unreasonable. And in the end, you'll have a record that hold its value since its a very limited release. If you ever want to sell it down the road, you should be able to easily get your money back and possibly make a couple bucks too. Would you rather have one copy of an unlimited run at $14.99 or have one copy out of of 500 for $21.99? I'll take the limited edition for an extra $7 But then again....I went a little overboard with this hum release. I initially bought the full subscription just for the hum record. Then I bought the black and the green. And now I'm broke. lol at you for including "shipping costs" in your list of things that the regular price covers. Isn't that what shipping charges are for? This was not $21.99ppd. I'm also not pretending that this is the most ridiculously priced LP ever. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 The product has to be shipped from the plant. That costs a lot because vinyl weighs a frickin' fuckton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suchashorttime Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 wouldn't be a decent repress of some long sought-after record without a fair amount of complaining, would it? crapforgenius, nothingnatural and youspinmeround 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unwound Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Not a rant at all. An extreme sales drop would/should drop prices in theory, but also cause a lot of labels to pull out of the business if they weren't taking much in. Exactly. I know it's a scary thought, but the scenario you proposed might be needed to trim the fat a little. It'll definitely be interesting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 vinyl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withengineheart Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Supply and demand peeps. Not every label is run by Ian Mckaye youspinmeround 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindovermatter Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 There seems to be some misguided notions on the costs of pressing records in this thread. Let's round UP a bunch of numbers: Mastering/Lacquers from Lucky: $400 Pressing of 1250 records via Rainbo (across 3 colors): $2627 (this number also assumes 180g for all three colorways, FYI) 2000 gatefold jackets with spot gloss: $3500 Shipping from the plant: probably about $600-700 Poly sleeves: $262 (2000 3 mil) and $135 for 500 4 mil sleeves Grand total: $7624 or $6.10 per record Now, let's assume that the label charged them $5000 (which is totally insane) for licensing rights. $12,624 or $10.10 per record This includes both colors and the sub color also. They will make $27,487 for just this release - a profit of no less than $10K. You guys are being raped by this project, and the fact that you're 100% cool with it is very alarming. tokimedo and kurtz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothingnatural Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 There seems to be some misguided notions on the costs of pressing records in this thread. Let's round UP a bunch of numbers: Mastering/Lacquers from Lucky: $400 Pressing of 1250 records via Rainbo (across 3 colors): $2627 (this number also assumes 180g for all three colorways, FYI) 2000 gatefold jackets with spot gloss: $3500 Shipping from the plant: probably about $600-700 Poly sleeves: $262 (2000 3 mil) and $135 for 500 4 mil sleeves Grand total: $7624 or $6.10 per record Now, let's assume that the label charged them $5000 (which is totally insane) for licensing rights. $12,624 or $10.10 per record This includes both colors and the sub color also. They will make $27,487 for just this release - a profit of no less than $10K. You guys are being raped by this project, and the fact that you're 100% cool with it is very alarming. Can you guys give it a fucking rest already? Either buy it or don't and go on with your day. youspinmeround 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Quick, everyone. Cancel your orders. You are being raped! Paying a huge markup on an item you want (for, I'm sure, the first time in your life), is the same thing as being sexually assaulted. I already cancelled mine. Of course I'm not being dramatic. I, for one, am aghast at these shocking revelations. How can the rest of you be so blasé about it? scottheisel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnio Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 first world problems, just take it or leave it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tape Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 You guys are being raped by this project no one is being raped. some people have paid more than you think the record is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathroommonkey Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 so, i am to understand that i'm being "raped" everytime I buy a record that isn't sold at a minimal mark up? i guess the only safe, non rapey place to buy records is No Idea. from now on if I spend more than 10 bucks on a record i'll be sure to wear my rape whistle. record buying is hard on the olde pooper. youspinmeround, tape and admin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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