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It's not true. OK, so I'm just another guy on the internet, but I've had the privilege of getting backstage on more than a few separate occasions for both Tool & APC. I am somewhat well known taper, been to 103 Tool shows, and 50+ APC shows, 20+ Pusicfer shows. I've got the passes to prove it, I was even given one of the Maynard harem passes because they were out of the standard ones. I also have had 2 female friends (age 20 & 23 at the time) pass muster and get to sleep with Maynard and have gotten all the details. One ended up being a repeat contact because she lived in LA and could participate with him there when off tour.

  • 1. First off, there is and was no blonde heavy set woman who acted as his handler for this. Women do receive special passes, but they were handed out from his all male security staff.
  • 2. The security staff checks IDs. If you are not of age, you do not get to go backstage. 17, though "legal" in some states, does not make the cut. Full stop.
  • 3. Passes for Maynard are different than the normal backstage pass for the show. A couple examples I can think of (and one I own that I received personally when they were out of normal ones) has a collage of women in KISS makeup sucking dick or other sexual acts. An APC one had a picture of Maynard in Roman garb that said "Have you serviced your gladiator today?" or something similar. There are no illusions about what you are there for.
  • 4. All backstage people are brought backstage to 1 or 2 rooms. Sometimes the Maynard groupies are brought to a separate room. It's never 1 woman alone. The smallest group I saw was 5 or 6 women, but could be up to 20. Maynard makes an appearance in the room, might make some chitchat, and then leaves. His security staff will then approach whichever 1 or 2 women that Maynard has selected for the night and tell them that Maynard would like them to come back to the bus or the hotel for the night.
  • 5. Both experiences recounted to me, from two women who do not know each other, Maynard was caring, slow and gentle. There was no pressure. He is interested in anal as you would assume, but did not with the one because she never had. Again, no pressure. This act ended up happening later when she was one of his regulars in LA.
  • 6. After the act, both women had nothing but good things to say about him and about the security staff (Making sure they were OK to leave the area and had some transportation as they left).

So you take those 2 accounts, and also what I saw happen in general with the process other times backstage, make the accusers account incredibly hard to believe. For the guy down below in the thread who's girlfriend was weirded out for not letting her BF backstage with her, I hope you understand by now that Maynard does not and will not meet normal Tool fans. Never. Has he appeared at any of the Tool clinics? No. Has he ever appeared at any of the APC VIP events? No. I only met him once backstage and he was not thrilled with my concert total. Actually told me that I shouldn't see them that many times. The meeting only happened because I was in with a group of family for another person on the crew. I haven't been backstage since he's been married, so I don't know if his groupie whoring has continued. I don't think he should be demonized for this behavior. Yeah it sucks that he doesn't want to meet the casual fan to have them gush over his music, but it doesn't make me want to listen to them less.

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1 hour ago, ZeroNowhere said:

Just going to leave this here - 

 

Did you even read this horseshit? The constant use of the hashtag "MeToo" was enough for me to question her motives here. I did also find it rather odd that she was"traumatized" enough to colour up her Twitter profile a little to pander to #MeToo before she addressed the "issue" at hand. Not buying this, at all. With that said, if it turns out Maynard has been doing these things, then he should get the appropriate punishment. You'd think a 17 year old would be able to say no though, I know I would've.

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Didn't get it right the first time.

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1 minute ago, AnimosityDK said:

Did you even read this horseshit? The fact that her profile is plastered with "rape facts", the constant use of the hashtag "MeToo" (which is never a good sign, the way she's doing it comes across as very, very attention seeking)

and the way she practically throws all men under the bus by saying we should think of rape as cannibalism, as if rape is something everyone of us thinks about. Hell, she even goes to warn ALL men about this, as if we're somehow all to blame. What a fucking disgusting thing to sling someone's way. But I'm glad she was "traumatized" enough to colour up her Twitter profile a little to pander to #MeToo before she addressed the "issue" at hand. Not buying this, at all.

You mad, bro?

 

It's going to snowball, so hop on and enjoy the ride! - https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/tools_maynard_james_keenan_accused_of_raping_a_17-year-old_girl_in_2000.html

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Just now, ZeroNowhere said:

Just a tad, you don't think this has gone too far for long enough?

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3 minutes ago, AnimosityDK said:

Just a tad, you don't think this has gone too far for long enough?

Beyond this person's tweets, he sounds like an absolutely filthy human being who could give a shit about his fans and is primarily focused on getting his dick wet.  If that doesn't sound like sex addiction to you, then I'm not sure what would.  

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1 minute ago, ZeroNowhere said:

Beyond this person's tweets, he sounds like an absolutely filthy human being who could give a shit about his fans and is primarily focused on getting his dick wet.  If that doesn't sound like sex addiction to you, then I'm not sure what would.  

You mad bro?

Also:

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3 minutes ago, ZeroNowhere said:

Beyond this person's tweets, he sounds like an absolutely filthy human being who could give a shit about his fans and is primarily focused on getting his dick wet.  If that doesn't sound like sex addiction to you, then I'm not sure what would.  

Yeah, I think this is YOU enjoying siding with what very much strikes me as empty accusations simply because you don't like the guy. If I had the fame he had, I'd have gotten my dick quite wet too, just as most "rock stars" have. It's not that the guy doesn't give a shit about his fans, it's that he doesn't want them to suck his dick 24/7 (That's reserved for the groupies.)

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1 minute ago, AnimosityDK said:

Yeah, I think this is YOU enjoying siding with what very much strikes me as empty accusations simply because you don't like the guy. If I had the fame he had, I'd have gotten my dick quite wet too, just as most "rock stars" have. It's not that the guy doesn't give a shit about his fans, it's that he doesn't want them to suck his dick 24/7 (That's reserved for the groupies.)

I never said I didn't like him.  The way he acts makes me not want to like him.  I would like more information, but beyond the tweet, some of what I have read makes me think he's a giant sleaze.  Keep putting words in my mouth, though, if that's what makes you feel better.  I'm not here to argue with some neanderthal on the internet.  I posted a link / article because it's obviously going to come to everyone's attention much sooner than later.  Sorry if that makes you sad.  Welcome to the internet, big guy.

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2 minutes ago, ZeroNowhere said:

I never said I didn't like him.  The way he acts makes me not want to like him.  I would like more information, but beyond the tweet, some of what I have read makes me think he's a giant sleaze.  Keep putting words in my mouth, though, if that's what makes you feel better.  I'm not here to argue with some neanderthal on the internet.  I posted a link / article because it's obviously going to come to everyone's attention much sooner than later.  Sorry if that makes you sad.  Welcome to the internet, big guy.

Welcome to you too. #MeToo isn't the positive thing you've heard it is from the media, those of us who've been on the internet for a while are aware of this by now. 

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29 minutes ago, ZeroNowhere said:

I never said I didn't like him.  The way he acts makes me not want to like him.  I would like more information, but beyond the tweet, some of what I have read makes me think he's a giant sleaze.  Keep putting words in my mouth, though, if that's what makes you feel better.  I'm not here to argue with some neanderthal on the internet.  I posted a link / article because it's obviously going to come to everyone's attention much sooner than later.  Sorry if that makes you sad.  Welcome to the internet, big guy.

lol

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37 minutes ago, ZeroNowhere said:

I never said I was mad, I just stated he's a filthy human being.  Maybe you are too and that's why you find his behavior acceptable.  The more you know!

 

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2 minutes ago, twatay said:

Might as well lock this thread, meow.

No need, the thread can be used for what it was intended to be used for from now on. The way I see it, he should've created a new thread by the name of

 "#MeToo collect vinyl" - Where they can sling accusations around about every artist who has ever walked the planet. 

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Saying #MeToo has gone too far is a weird take. 

 

While, yes, innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental right,  victims need to be empowered too. I think the correct take away is to see how this develops, but people need to take a beat and maybe see MJK through a different set of eyes for the time being. 

 

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Just now, timsimmons said:

Saying #MeToo has gone too far is a weird take. 

 

While, yes, innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental right,  victims need to be empowered too. I think the correct take away is to see how this develops, but people need to take a beat and maybe see MJK through a different set of eyes for the time being. 

 

I don't believe it's a weird take at all. It's quite apparent and obvious at this point that #MeToo gives no fucks about innocence until proven guilty.

 

Otherwise I'd agree, of course a victim deserves to be heard.

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4 minutes ago, timsimmons said:

Also, its nice to confirm my suspicion that doby blue is insufferable.

 

In regards to seeing MJK through a different set of eyes, that was indeed exactly what was done. Doby shared a Reddit post that went quite into detail about how this accusation seemingly doesn't hold much water at all. I can't claim that MJK is completely innocent since I don't have the answers. (Despite the joke I made regarding the video I posted earlier)

 

I don't think the guy has shown himself to be insufferable in the slightest. The dude he's been replying to is the definition of a hypocrite, he pointed out perfectly why that's the case.

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