jhook Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 How lame is this scene. Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 90's christian metalcore is awesome. everything after 1999 SUCKS HARD. I can get down to some Disciple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Did the "Christian Side Hug" ever take off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbruise Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I grew up in a christian home, it wasn't very strict but I wasn't allowed to listen to f-bombs at an early age. My dad got me into christian metal and metalcore at a very young age. At like 5-6 years old I was listening to Tourniquet and loving it. I don't think it's lame, just different. Havent listened to or followed the scene in years and years though. That video is kind of wierd, I had no idea that shit went down at shows. Never seen anything like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I grew up in a christian home, it wasn't very strict but I wasn't allowed to listen to f-bombs at an early age. That video is kind of wierd, I had no idea that shit went down at shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbruise Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I got hand soap from my grandma once. Shit sucks. ddoherty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Equally as lame as the rest of the scene these days. element101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213041284s Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 ...what did I just watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudeboydh Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The only Christian band that ever matters or will ever matter is Five Iron Frenzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The only Christian band that ever matters or will ever matter is Five Iron Frenzy. Depends on how you want to define "Christian Band". Brian from Gaslight Anthem is an outspoken christian and it shows through in his lyrics, but they don't do things like hold prayer ceremonies on stage. GA definitely matters if they count as a Christian Band. rudeboydh, hobohunter48 and element101 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 How lame is this scene. Discuss. Bands can suck regardless if their religious inclination, there are some good and some TERRIBLE metal ore bands on both sides of the fence robotfactory and hobohunter48 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobohunter48 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (Usually) bands of Christians > Christian Bands rudeboydh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Since the music that is being played is neither christian or non-christian the only thing that makes a song religious is the lyrics. So why would you make the lyrics unintelligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejesseb Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (Usually) bands of Christians > Christian Bands So much this. Also that video is of Sleeping Giant. They are known to be some of the most outspoken of all Christian bands. The whole label of "christian bands" never really sat with me. Every band sends a message about their views of certain things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smailtronic Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Always nice to see that Christian hardcore kids dancing look just as ridiculous as regular hardcore kids dancing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
element101 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 So much this. Also that video is of Sleeping Giant. They are known to be some of the most outspoken of all Christian bands. The whole label of "christian bands" never really sat with me. Every band sends a message about their views of certain things. I got to know SG really well after I got to put out Kingdom Days... and we've never talked about anything religion based. But stage wise and media wise thats pretty much all they do. I think them and For Today and a few others see it as having a platform to either bring something meaningful to the table or bring nonsense like most bands alot of times. I don't see it as being pushy or anything especially with those 2 bands because you listen to 1 song and you know what you're getting into. Like you said, Its just a message like any other band has. I don't really dont hate killing an animal or eating meat but I love Strike Anywhere and Anti Flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudeboydh Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I think a big difference between a "Christian Band" and a "Band of Christians" is mainly in the lyrics. Like, if you talking about praying and Jesus directly in your lyrics while "bands of Christians" just talk about generally being a good human being and stuff. It also depends on if they pray at concerts and between song banter is about Jesus. I think the big difference for me is that I feel like most Christian bands make me feel like they're trying to stuff their religion down my throat, while "bands of Christians" do not. And ultimately, that helps me decide whether or not I can like a "Christian" band or not. For example: I like Westbound Train and they have some references to Chritianity in many of their songs (Salvation and Lift my Voice up Loud come to mind). Bands like Five Iron Frenzy directly talk Jesus in their lyrics. Pretty simple. Also, Five Iron Frenzy is about the most Jesus I can take out of a band. I can't seriously listen to bands like the O.C. Supertones and some other Christian bands I used to like anymore without feeling like they're trying to force their religion on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 dc talk > five iron frenzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterrod Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I thought Crucified was good. I laughed at the lyrics a bit, but I dug the Tuneage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhook Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 The thing with me is that religion has absolutely no place in punk or hardcore. No place at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattisr1984 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 metalcore bands love lyric videos which is annoying since they all sound the same / generally have the same lyrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The thing with me is that religion has absolutely no place in punk or hardcore. No place at all. I've heard this a lot and it honestly does not make sense. Punk/hardcore music is about being brutally honest and true to yourself and usually manifests itself as a subculture/counter-culture. You can apply that mantra to nearly any lifestyle choice. In the case of "christian" punk or hardcore, they are often actually counter-culture to mainstream christianity. It's kinda a vegetarian vs vegan thing (closes analogy I could think of...). One of the bands I was really into as a teenager was a christian post-hardcore band called Project 86, and one album in particular where they took a very vocal stance against organized religion (Truthless Heroes). They had lyrics that you might find on any secular hardcore band speaking out against such things: Big business ain’t easy I’m sure you’d agree Especially when the product is eternity To stay one step ahead we must achieve And turn this holy temple into a factory Is there anywhere you can run To hide from these thieves? Cause eternity’s on sale today for a fee Faith is buying me away Buying me a way To convert the masses into little servants Faith is buying me away Buying me a way Buying me into your soul Our sanctuary of this high-rise Our steeples our billboards Our slogans our converts Oh don’t forget to buy this T-shirt as you leave And open up the offering box and give until it hurts Show me an open heart and we’ll steal it away Cause eternity’s on up for sale for a small fee today This altar is a stage Our sponsor must be paid And maybe we'll even make the front page To play devil's advocate, as discussed, there are bands that cross the line and become offensive. But honestly there are punk bands that are pro-vegetarian or whatever that get just as pushy and offensive about their platform. In the end it doesn't matter what your platform is, be it a religion or a lifestyle choice, or that Arnold Schwarzenegger is awesome, just be respectful of the fact that not everyone shares your viewpoint. EDIT: If you're going to argue that religion can't be a platform in a punk or hardcore band then you'd have to say the same about straight edge and the like... and I wouldn't want to tell that scene to fuck off, those are a bunch of assholes I wouldn't want to get into a fight with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seangj Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 dc talk > five iron frenzy Maybe pre Jesus Freak ... Maybe. No FIF is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Maybe pre Jesus Freak ... Maybe. No FIF is better They both suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomfortunepa Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 This thread reminded me of an interview with Dan Yemin. What don"t you like about Christian Hardcore?I think this is more like a Paint it Black question. I mean Lifetime doesn't have that kind of agenda. I mean I'll answer it, but I"d rather it not be the focus of the interview. I think that if someone feels like they need or want an organized framework for their spirituality, that's cool. But I think in this current social, political climate, it would be a good idea for them to be really deliberate about distancing themselves from people that are trying to tell women what they can do with their body, or trying to tell gay people they shouldn't be able to adopt children; that stuff is bullshit. I know Christianity is not really about that, but orthodox Christianity in this country, and in this day and age is about that, and if you are going to call yourself a Christian band, then at least have the courage in your convictions to say, "We are not about that stuff. We are about hating the sin, but loving the sinner. We're about turning the other cheek. We are about treating your neighbor as you would treat yourself." Cool. That is awesome stuff; the good stuff about religion. But all the telling other people how to live their lives is the bad stuff about religion, and this my beef. I have yet to hear a Christian hardcore band take that critical stance. rudeboydh and GradedOnACurve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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