biodigitaljazz Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I have an ATLP60 and i recently hit the auto start to play a 7" but it was set to 12 so the needle came down on I'm assuming the slipmat. Kit could've been the metal user neath but I didn't stop to look. It made an awful noise and I lifted it as fast as I could. Is it possibly damaged and should I refrain from playing anything until I get a new one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I have an ATLP60 and i recently hit the auto start to play a 7" but it was set to 12 so the needle came down on I'm assuming the slipmat. Kit could've been the metal user neath but I didn't stop to look. It made an awful noise and I lifted it as fast as I could. Is it possibly damaged and should I refrain from playing anything until I get a new one?? :| Yes, it wears out the needle a little. It might wear your vinyl faster using a worn out needle, but it won't damage them. That's mostly just what a slipmat sounds like, I've done it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie...MakeDamnSure Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 i would get a new one, and ya i would not listen to any vinyl intill you have it fixed, but you can try to see if it still works. Feel it out,good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodigitaljazz Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 My records still sound good I just didn't know if I shouldn't be Playing them after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toomany45s Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 If you caught it quick, you should be fine. I switch out my needles about every 10 months or so(probably around 900 hours of play). If you're properly cleaning your records, and your stylus wasn't previously damaged or on the verge of fracturing it can handle a couple of slipmat hits in my experience. It's also going to depend on the quality of the stylus. I've done this several times with no issue, but ya never know, so continue at your own risk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 If you caught it quick, you should be fine. I switch out my needles about every 10 months or so(probably around 900 hours of play). If you're properly cleaning your records, and your stylus wasn't previously damaged or on the verge of fracturing it can handle a couple of slipmat hits in my experience. It's also going to depend on the quality of the stylus. I've done this several times with no issue, but ya never know, so continue at your own risk! Good advice. Just keep in mind it's an LP60. So even if the stylus is damaged, I'd use this as an opportunity to buy another turntable. One that isn't horrible bigbruise, Team Avatar and moonbeams 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyhasclaws Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Same thing happened to me a couple weeks ago. I didn't change it it still works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooks Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 i played a record with an etched outisde edge (Shone, if you're curious). I wasn't thinking and I let the needle auto-drop... Caught it about .5 seconds in haha. Needle has been fine since, but yeah, scary half-second haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcohenour Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I've done this a time or two over the years with no noticable difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillhole Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Did it once, but it hit the bumps on the outside edge of the platter that let the strobe light work. Yea broke the entire tip off the stylus. Thankfully I was planning on replacing it already since she was nearing the end of her usable work life. Still sucked though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I've "listened to" a couple of slipmats and an acrylic platter this way on my old Debut. Every time I fully expected it to be broken, every time it was fine. That doesn't mean that it cannot damage the stylus the first time it happens though. Fuckin' 7"s... moonbeams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmikeX13 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I have the Less Than Jake - Slayer 7" that plays from the inside out. Well, I didn't know that so I put the needle on like normal. The needle immediately went into the mat and I freaked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I do this all the time and my records turn out TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodigitaljazz Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Bump because I'm clumsy/suck. I'm on a Project Debut Carbon with an Ortofon 2M Red cartridge. The other day, I accidentally dropped the tonearm on the table's hard body and it skidded a little bit. Just a moment ago I put the needle onto the outer edge of the record a little too far and it made a really loud,obnoxious surface noise. I bumped it off right away, just frantically trying to get it off, and it went a few inches off the record, and landed right in the middle and then bounced a few grooves over- the arm is so light I couldn't get ahold of it. At that point I raised it frantically with the lever and hated myself tenfold. The downforce weight is ~1.75g per table instruction manual, but it was free balanced, not on a gauge. I'm hearing no noticeable damage on my records. I tried examining the cartridge and I can't tell if the cantilever is messed up or anything else. I'm just really getting paranoid that I've messed up the stylus, but I know how difficult it is to say without actually looking at the stylus, and I live enough in the middle of batshit nowhere to not have anyone within 100 miles who'd know what they're talking about. I just figured I'd try to describe the situations as best I could and see what other users would do. If it came to buying another cartridge (~$120) I'd do what I had to because I don't want to ruin any records. But I won't unless it's damaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circuit bored records Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Note to self: never let biodigitaljazz anywhere near my turntable. vinylfilmaholic, Fridge Fox, sergeantscruffy and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodigitaljazz Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Maybe I should have started out on a Crosley. BLASPHEMY JUST KIDDING. But really, I'm not sure about the stylus . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 You guys are way too fucking uptight about this shit. That being said, biodigitaljazz, you described some serious droppage. If you're records that previously sounded good now sound like shite I'd look into a new cart. But your probably fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcguirk Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 You guys are way too fucking uptight about this shit. Hay look, this guy doesn't own any expensive or rare records. Requiescat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Hay look, this guy doesn't own any expensive or rare records. Actually, I own quite a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiescat Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 It might wear your vinyl faster using a worn out needle, but it won't damage them. Not sure I agree with that. A worn needle could potentially cause damage. Probably not worth the risk, at least in my opinion. I'm sure we've all accidentally let the needle on our tables touch something they weren't designed to. If you're really concerned, you should probably examine it more closely using some sort of high magnification or microscope. Depending on the slip mat, the needle could "catch" and be ripped out of the cartridge body or damage the cantilever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodigitaljazz Posted May 13, 2014 Author Share Posted May 13, 2014 Well, isn't it true that it may be damaged but there's no way to know until it's too late? It still sounds good to me. I'd like to not drop a damaged needle into my $100 Paramore "Riot" or my 68' 2nd UK stereo press White Album if I can help it. But it doesn't sound questionable. It sounds good to me. It didn't hit the slipmat this time. It hit the record a bit hard, and landed on the table body for a bit. Just writing that makes me realize how careless. I'll have to be way more careful in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiescat Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Well, isn't it true that it may be damaged but there's no way to know until it's too late? It still sounds good to me. There's really only 2 ways to tell... first and foremost is a close visual inspection using a microscope or something similar, as I mentioned. A listening test can potentially tell you as well but, in my experience, only if there's really more substantial issues with the needle and not if there's a minor but still unwanted flaw. As I said, if you're really concerned you may want to have your cartridge re-tipped (if possible) or replaced. Peace of mind tends to be worth the investment, in my experience. I always consider the risk of a damaged record far outweighing the cost of the alternative. Based upon your comments, I'm sure you're well aware but be careful! Take your time, be patient, and never rush when playing your records. It's too easy to damage a cartridge, drop a record, or do something else that might damage your stuff. For example, if I've been drinking I refuse to touch my turntable even to show off to people. Not worth the risk. Maybe that's overkill but it eliminates a lot of potentially bad outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillhole Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I have the Less Than Jake - Slayer 7" that plays from the inside out. Well, I didn't know that so I put the needle on like normal. The needle immediately went into the mat and I freaked out. Ha! I came here to post the same thing. Went right onto the rubber mat and proceeded to destroy the needle, luckily it was nearing the end of it's life anyways. I taped a little note to the plastic outer sleeve reminding me about that so I'll never do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodigitaljazz Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 I don't notice any bad sound other than the inner groove distortion that I think is just coming from a misaligned cartridge. I don't think I can afford to replace the cartridge right now anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrom92 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I drop my stylus on shellac every now and then. Sometimes nitrocellulose. Depends on my mood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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