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I also feel bad about this. We have two cats and of course I'd love to help if I could. Hope something works out.

#9/300. Record looks good.

I went to a Lucero show and about 95% of the people there made me want to go postal.

I mean, in retrospect I understand that most of their fans are alcoholics that wanted to get drunk and have a good time. But holy fuck, man.

Drunk fan-girls grinding people, drunk meatheads in packs just pushing me out of the way and screaming, jumping up and down to the lyrics/song. Drunk dudes trying to dance but stumbling back into me, spilling beer.

Annoying.

Yes dude, yes. These people annoy me:

Crowdsurfers

Protective boyfriends

Those fucking hipsters

Shirtless guy

People from Texas

Short chicks who make you feel bad for standing in front of them

But there's some real fucks at a Lucero show. Stop giving Ben shots you drunk bearded fuck! He's about to pass out and I haven't heard "Slow Dancing" yet!

Not to mention I think I have hearing damage because some tough guy had to call the band out and challenge them to play louder.

$50. And that's my best offer!

$$ sent dude, thanks!

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It's just ok for me. I'm kind of disappointed. Towards the end of the song I actually thought about not finishing it, not because it was terrible but because it wasn't keeping my attention.

This bill is 1 step forward.

Got Pedro the Lion on Saturday and it looks and sounds great! Thank you.

Can't speak for Adam, but my post had nothing to do with VC pre-orders. It's just pre-orders in general. All I was saying is that as a consumer, you might want to at least check on the track record of a label before throwing money at them for products that don't exist yet. Being responsible with your spending is absolutely recognized as a "mature" and "adult" trait. Also, very rarely do I see pre-order items that I don't see in store bins later, so you can almost certainly wait it out. Unless you're diehard on limited mailorder-only splatter vinyl or whatever, of course.

As a consumer I might want to at least check on the track record of a label before preordering a record? Really? I guess I didn't know I should research a distro's preorder history before preordering. Thank you for that. And then that would be being responsible, and mature, and adult.

Can I ask you this? Have you ever considered some people don't just preorder for limited colors or variants, but that many people do because, when done right, it can be convenient and the same as ordering it upon its release? Obviously many preorders can be waited out. Does that mean I shouldn't choose to preorder records? What if I like preordering? What if I haven't had any problems anywhere else? You tell me, what's wrong with preordering a record you're going to buy anyway? Nothing. And when a distro fucks up and sells preorders before records exist, it's my fault. Because I'm somehow supposed to know their shitty practices, because it would've been responsible of me to find this out before hand. Give me a break, you must be kidding.

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You said not to ask about 1 record, buuuuut....

Get Up Kids “Woodson” 7”

PMing with an offer now.

I think the reason Flood loves long preorders is because he himself is guilty of a few I don't think it has anything to do with maturity, though.

Fat Wreck's preorders are exactly how one should go if they're gonna be done. Throw up the preorder, and a week later it is mailed out. What I don't like is when a preorder is done to fund the pressing itself, and then sales are slower than expected so there isn't enough money to press immediately, or something happens at the plant so everybody is kept waiting.

I don't think it's an issue of "instant gratification" either, or I wouldn't be ordering tangible items to be delivered through the mail.

This is probably the best post in the thread.

To me, being "mature" would be more along the lines of labels being fiscally responsible enough to not have to do pre-orders in hopes of helping pay for their pressing costs. If a label is openly stating that they need pre-order support to press a record, I head for the hills.

On the consumer end, being "mature" would be to recognize when you're about to get in a situation where you could very well be throwing money down a rat hole. As an adult, I like spending money on tangible goods that actually exist in present tense. In the rare occasion where I send money before the physical product exists, it's usually from a reputable place that can turn it in a couple weeks (and not a few months to over a year).

And on my label's end, no pre-orders ever. It's just a foolish proposition that you can never really win at no matter how "smoothly" it goes. I tried it for a little bit some years back and the amount of extra work it created (mainly having to field email/messageboard inquiries on progress from strangers) was asinine.

Also, I think a lot of it goes back to the adage of if you don't have enough disposable income or business income to press a record, then maybe your life needs and priorities should be examined and reassessed.

As for the idea of "I like to pre-order because it means I'll get a copy of the record and don't have to worry about it selling out," I get that concept. At the same time, I personally believe that it's kind of a record label's responsibility to produce enough copies to meet the vast majority of the demand (and keep it in print if it's a consistent seller).

Anyway, just my thoughts on all this... carry on.

I can't agree with your take on the consumer's end. It screams blaming the victim to me. You use yourself as an example of what you should do if you preorder records. Well, I guess you're lucky to be you then, because I didn't know shit about VC's problems when I preordered this long preorder. Again, I struggle to see the connection to being "mature" or even an "adult."

Well if this does happen, I will be excited to pick one up. Not just my favorite JEW album but one of my favorite albums of all time.

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I should have re-read the original post, he did say weeks and months. I guess I assumed he was raging against the shitty long preorders. Anyway, my feelings about the long preorders stand.

How is that "THIS?" Doesn't make sense. Do you like waiting months for records?

What doesn't make sense about being mature enough to have the patience to not need the instant gratification?

I'd rather pre-order something (if it's limited/low press run especially) and wait a month or two or three and KNOW that I'll get it instead of waiting for it to release, not being able to get it because all the copies of it were bought in pre-order then face the prospect of paying triple (or more) the pre-order cost of it on eBay or L.P.

That and I find threads like this just silly.

It doesn't make sense because this has nothing to do with instant gratification. I think it's great that you and "i love preorders" don't mind waiting two or three months for records, the only problem is I'm not (and I don't think he is) talking about waiting two or three months. In fact, it's possible the original poster, like myself is frustrated over waiting much longer than three months for a record. I don't think it's immature to feel that way. I haven't recieved any response to my messages from Virgil. So how should someone in a situation like this feel? Understanding? Maybe, if there were better communication.

It's funny you mentioned selling all your dvds to buy records. I've done the same.

i love pre-orders. i'm just mature enough to not need immediate gratification in everything i do.

THIS

How is that "THIS?" Doesn't make sense. Do you like waiting months for records?

LT met with Vikings today. Can't help but think about the awesomeness that would be Brett, Jared, AP and LT.

Sprint's everything, $110. Just cancelled last week. Going back to landline only.

No, I don't have enough money to buy anything but albums that mean something to me.