jumpstartrecords Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 So, we've made a huge decision here at Jump Start HQ. Instead of fighting the never ending tide of downloading that has become so commonplace with music these days, we're going to fully embrace this new found freedom and now allow you to download all your favorite Jump Start releases for FREE! That's right, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Just so you know that we're not completely crazy, in most cases we're not giving the entire record away, but most of it, and are reserving exclusive and extra tracks that can only be found on the CD, LP, and through our digital distribution retailers like iTunes and Emusic. What does that mean? Well, for example, if the record in question that you wanna download has 14 tracks we're going to give you 9 or 10 of them for FREE. If you like what you hear we hope you'll support the band and the label by buying a CD, LP, or the rest of the tracks from our digital partners. Or, you could also make a DONATION of any size to help us continue to release awesome music from some great bands. Simply click this link below you'll see everything you need to start downloading! http://www.jumpstartrecords.com/v3/releases.html HELP KEEP INDEPENDENT MUSIC ALIVE! We thank you sincerely for your continued support of this label and our band's efforts. We're slowing putting as many of our titles up for download so please bare with us....it's gonna take some time. My eyes are already going crazy having spent the better part of yesterday working on getting as much up and available as possible. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstartrecords Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 this also goes for new releases that are coming out soon, which include new full lengths from metroplex, astpai, one win choice, and safety! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassj Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 looking forward to the Safety release Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstartrecords Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 so are we! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcamps Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 this is rad. press benefits of thinking outloud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstartrecords Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 did you mean put it up for download, or press an LP version of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew13 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 new astpai and OWC? how soon is soon? will be buying for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstartrecords Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 new astpai is recorded, mixed, and mastered. just waiting/working on the artwork for that. it's scheduled for an august release. one win choice is hitting the studio in late may/early june. we have it as a tentative november release if all goes as planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopdog Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 I like how I purposed this idea a couple months ago in one of the free LP threads and you suggested that 1 out of a hundred downloads result in a sale. thank you for understanding its not about sales and that increased revenue will return to labels that are far sighted enough to embrace free mp3 downloads. music will be free by any means but if the label is giving it away it looks like you actually care about the buying decisions made by those who support your music. I will be making a small purchase now to show you what I mean by those customers who support music being free I enjoyed a few of the bands on your comps and think some of those records you hooked me up with are good enough to buy. Thanks Again. edit: my Order #1796 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstartrecords Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 i take that back, 1 in 1000 downloads results in a sale. i can show you the statustics if you'd like. the idea that we should have to give anything away to earn anyone's respect is ridiculous. even with giving our records away we're probably going to be out if business soon anyway. the day music costs nothing to make is the day that logic is sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopdog Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 i take that back, 1 in 1000 downloads results in a sale. i can show you the statustics if you'd like. the idea that we should have to give anything away to earn anyone's respect is ridiculous. even with giving our records away we're probably going to be out if business soon anyway. the day music costs nothing to make is the day that logic is sound. I first want to take back the fact I thought you were giving away the full album for free (which yes there are labels that do that and make a significant amount of money)...so you are only giving people a little bit and asking for the rest to be paid to a 3rd party so you can eventually get a little piece? Seems pretty half hearted to me. So why are you going to be out of business? Do you have too much debt or what? I could run a label from my house as long as I never take on debt and sell things at least 1:1 (which would be stupid if thats all I asked for) oh and as long as I never give Virgil my records to sell. I don't see how its possible to not make money. And while you believe that you shouldn't have to do anything to do anything to earn people's respect that's simply not true and a fantasy. There are a ton of independent labels that I support who give away their music for free and prosper and continue to put out amazing releases. Because they maintain the ethics of DIY and keep it real. The Mylene Sheath is a great example of a label that started with one record and built themselves into a pretty big label. They use Gimmesound to allow streaming and download of an entire album. Where the advertisers give the artist a share of money made off advertising revenue and the rest is given to a charity of the labels choosing. Maybe your business model isn't right because you haven't given the customer a reason to buy or you haven't connected with your fans. I didn't know about your label until you started giving away records which seemed like a really great idea. Same with the annual record giveaway by Banquet Records. There has been so much discussion about how to succeed in this industry there is really no reason for failure other than irrelevancy. I like your label and the fact you are trying to maintain relevancy by trying different things to get peoples attention. your post seemed like you were a little pissed I am sure nothing is simple but seriously don't try and alienate people who are just trying to be helpful. I plan on starting a label sometime in the next year. Good luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evenscore Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Astpai rules! Such a good band, both live and recorded. And awesome dudes as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyregret Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 I like how I purposed this idea a couple months ago in one of the free LP threads and you suggested that 1 out of a hundred downloads result in a sale.thank you for understanding its not about sales and that increased revenue will return to labels that are far sighted enough to embrace free mp3 downloads. music will be free by any means but if the label is giving it away it looks like you actually care about the buying decisions made by those who support your music. I will be making a small purchase now to show you what I mean by those customers who support music being free I enjoyed a few of the bands on your comps and think some of those records you hooked me up with are good enough to buy. Thanks Again. edit: my Order #1796 if I had a label I wouldnt want you ordering from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifebystereo Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 This rules! I will definitely buy anything I downloaded that I enjoy on vinyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspigasound Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 i take that back, 1 in 1000 downloads results in a sale. i can show you the statustics if you'd like. the idea that we should have to give anything away to earn anyone's respect is ridiculous. even with giving our records away we're probably going to be out if business soon anyway. the day music costs nothing to make is the day that logic is sound. I first want to take back the fact I thought you were giving away the full album for free (which yes there are labels that do that and make a significant amount of money)...so you are only giving people a little bit and asking for the rest to be paid to a 3rd party so you can eventually get a little piece? Seems pretty half hearted to me. So why are you going to be out of business? Do you have too much debt or what? I could run a label from my house as long as I never take on debt and sell things at least 1:1 (which would be stupid if thats all I asked for) oh and as long as I never give Virgil my records to sell. I don't see how its possible to not make money. And while you believe that you shouldn't have to do anything to do anything to earn people's respect that's simply not true and a fantasy. There are a ton of independent labels that I support who give away their music for free and prosper and continue to put out amazing releases. Because they maintain the ethics of DIY and keep it real. The Mylene Sheath is a great example of a label that started with one record and built themselves into a pretty big label. They use Gimmesound to allow streaming and download of an entire album. Where the advertisers give the artist a share of money made off advertising revenue and the rest is given to a charity of the labels choosing. Maybe your business model isn't right because you haven't given the customer a reason to buy or you haven't connected with your fans. I didn't know about your label until you started giving away records which seemed like a really great idea. Same with the annual record giveaway by Banquet Records. There has been so much discussion about how to succeed in this industry there is really no reason for failure other than irrelevancy. I like your label and the fact you are trying to maintain relevancy by trying different things to get peoples attention. your post seemed like you were a little pissed I am sure nothing is simple but seriously don't try and alienate people who are just trying to be helpful. I plan on starting a label sometime in the next year. Good luck to you. First, You honestly think that it's half hearted to give away almost 75% of the album? Maybe I'm crazy but, I will go out and buy an album after only hearing a song or two. Everyone has this idea that labels and bands OWE it to the people to just give away their albums. It wasn't too long ago that people were going out and buying albums after hearing two-three tracks tops. Now people want to hear/download the entire album for free and then will THINK about buying the album. A CD from an independent label/band costs what $5-$8? Even major label CD prices have dropped to around $7. JUST BUY IT. It's not like these labels and bands are being greedy, they are simply asking for a very small amount of money so that maybe they can make a little money back to continue putting out new records and helping new bands. Second, If you think there is all of this money to be made, you're definitely mistaken. Pressing an LP alone is about $2000. That is for the records, sleeves, and inserts. You also have to remember that you usually have to pay for recording, mixing, and mastering. That would be close to another $1500. Do you want CD's made? $900-1200? That is a lot of money. That is one release. This money comes from working and saving up money. It hardly comes back from the revenue sales from the actual release. However, it is NICE to see some money from the sales and to help the process continue. Jeremy, said that he doesn't think that we should have to GIVE the album away to earn respect. He didn't say that we shouldn't have to do anything to earn respect. I give respect to anyone that starts a label and spends their money on young bands that are trying to get their name out there. We are a little label that is trying to put out some good releases and stay afloat. If Jeremy didn't have the passion to put out records, regardless of how much it burns a hole in his pocket, this label would have folded up years ago. Third, Yes, there are plenty of labels that give away their albums. Some of them might be fortunate enough to work out deals with advertisers to make some sort of money back. I don't think this applies to the many independent punk rock labels that post on this board. Having the option to download an album for free is a wonderful thing but, I don't think that it should be the new requirement for labels just because kids have completely ripped off all price tags on music anymore. I'm done writing my novel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpstartrecords Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 i take that back, 1 in 1000 downloads results in a sale. i can show you the statustics if you'd like. the idea that we should have to give anything away to earn anyone's respect is ridiculous. even with giving our records away we're probably going to be out if business soon anyway. the day music costs nothing to make is the day that logic is sound. I first want to take back the fact I thought you were giving away the full album for free (which yes there are labels that do that and make a significant amount of money)...so you are only giving people a little bit and asking for the rest to be paid to a 3rd party so you can eventually get a little piece? Seems pretty half hearted to me. So why are you going to be out of business? Do you have too much debt or what? I could run a label from my house as long as I never take on debt and sell things at least 1:1 (which would be stupid if thats all I asked for) oh and as long as I never give Virgil my records to sell. I don't see how its possible to not make money. And while you believe that you shouldn't have to do anything to do anything to earn people's respect that's simply not true and a fantasy. There are a ton of independent labels that I support who give away their music for free and prosper and continue to put out amazing releases. Because they maintain the ethics of DIY and keep it real. The Mylene Sheath is a great example of a label that started with one record and built themselves into a pretty big label. They use Gimmesound to allow streaming and download of an entire album. Where the advertisers give the artist a share of money made off advertising revenue and the rest is given to a charity of the labels choosing. Maybe your business model isn't right because you haven't given the customer a reason to buy or you haven't connected with your fans. I didn't know about your label until you started giving away records which seemed like a really great idea. Same with the annual record giveaway by Banquet Records. There has been so much discussion about how to succeed in this industry there is really no reason for failure other than irrelevancy. I like your label and the fact you are trying to maintain relevancy by trying different things to get peoples attention. your post seemed like you were a little pissed I am sure nothing is simple but seriously don't try and alienate people who are just trying to be helpful. I plan on starting a label sometime in the next year. Good luck to you. i think you, and to a larger extent, a lot of younger people out there don't understand anything about how records are made and paid for. if we had the means to record our bands and post the music up for free download this would the easiest, cost effective way to create, record, and release music. but that leaves a lot of holes that need to be covered in regards to distribution as well as ripping the creative side of making records completely out, which to me, is a huge part of the heart and sole of releasing records in the first place. kevin's numbers in regards to recording are even low by many standards. how much do you think a studio like the blasting room costs per day? even a discounted rate of $800 a day is inexpensive for that place. other good studios like clay creek in delaware (none more black, boy sets fire, paint it black) and skylight in fairless hills, pa (jena berlin, a life once lost, zolof the rock and roll destroyer) cost $300 to $350 a day. even when rushed, a 14 track release in a studio like that is going to take 14 days to record and mix, so you're talking $4000 to record, and we haven't even gotten to mastering, artwork, and pressing, regardless of the format it eventually ends up on. maybe i'm old fashion but to me the artwork and the physical product is very important to a release, and another outlet of expression for a band with their music. digital formats go a long way of completely destroying the aesthetic of what records actually are. so, is my business plan bad because i'm spending too much money on these bands? by many standards i'm not spending enough, and if you noticed lately, independent labels are dying off one by one, and people thinking they're owed something before they even support a band or label is the reason why. keep thinking this way. soon enough your favorite record label will be gone and you can chuck it up to just bad business plans. having other advertisers that i don't know or approve of selling their products on a download page just so i can make a buck on my record by giving it away and recouping from those ad sales is fucking stupid. why don't i just sell ad space on my next lp jacket sort of like what soccer teams do with their jerseys. that'll help out the problem. the real problem is, even with giving away 75% of the record in a free download, people aren't supporting the band or the labels by even giving a cent for what they're downloading. so far there has been over 1400 downloads in less than 4 days on the jump start site and NO ONE has donated a dime. see a problem here? you can literally download 75% of a record for free, and if you like it now donate $1 dollar for an entire 320k high quality download of it directly from us or go one step further and buy a $5 cd, 7", or $10 lp that gives you even more, something tangible, and something the band and the label has put their hearts into. i'd rather fail due to irrelevancy than be forced to think that because of the internet people are suddenly free to steal what is not theirs. if you like a download, support the band and the label or they won't be around much longer releasing records, it's a simple as that. don't believe me, check out the thread about the new menzingers record and what toby has to say about that. building up a band takes a lot of time and money. this money has to come from someplace. if you're not paying for music, in some shape or form, you're stealing from poor musicians, plain and simple, and that's fucking lame. spend a few weeks on tour, sleeping on floors, literally eating shit to survive, and then explain to me why no one buys music anymore. i guess these things make me and our bands irrelevant. do me a favor and start your label. after 6 months when you haven't seen a dime of that release back than you can talk to me about irrelevancy and how you're justified in taking what doesn't belong to you. am i pissed? no. do i want fans like you. absolutely not. your words on a msgboard aren't helpful. paying for music, even when you're given to choice to actually pay less than what it's worth, is what is going to be helpful. that's being relevant. 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jumpstartrecords Posted March 29, 2010 Author Share Posted March 29, 2010 NIN? trent reznor? really? how much money do you think has been spent on that band, and by trent himself so that he could give away a donation based release? what the majors created for NIN and radiohead is easily seen as a business model for future release and upcoming artist, but you're missing the fact that major labels have spent literally millions of dollars to make NIN and radiohead what there were before they decided to go that route. this just doesn't work, and is ridiculous when applied to smaller labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifebystereo Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 haha holy shit, looks like a post was deleted, but did someone seriously compare the financial prospects of NIN being able to do that with a small punk label? Wow. Hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspigasound Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 haha holy shit, looks like a post was deleted, but did someone seriously compare the financial prospects of NIN being able to do that with a small punk label? Wow. Hilarious. See the lovely video posted a few comments above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifebystereo Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 ah, thanks - I just did a cntrl f for "trent" after not seeing it, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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