drabley

It is the HOSPITALITY industry. People forget that. If you're not hospitable, you're not doing your job. Being in a tizzy about some other fuck tard that means absolutely nothing to me isn't very hospitable.

If you work in this industry, it's not about you, it's about the person you are in front of at any given instant. Not the person you were in front of an hour ago that left $2 on a $80 bill. I don't care about them. I care about me. And if you want me to care about you, I'd advise you care about me as well.

So the whole argument of letting bad situations get under your skin or not is moot. It's a job requirement. If you can't do it, you're in the wrong line of work and your pay will suffer because of it.

/discussion

The culture of obligation and expectation has got to go. Earn your money like everyone else. If you do a great job, you'll get rewarded accordingly. If you do a shit job, expect shit pay.

so you mean to tell me you never get in a pissy mood at your job because of some asshole you've dealt with? what if your pay DEPENDED on that never affecting your performance? that's really hard to do.

also you're kind of 'expecting' them to have a smile on and get your food to you lightening fast and perfect, aren't you?

If my pay depended on me not being in a huff with everyone, you're damn right I wouldn't let it effect me. As I said, pawning off that pissy mood on others doesn't make you feel any better and will result in less pay. At least from me.

I'm "expecting" them to do their job, which is to serve me. For the period I am there, it is their job to cater to my needs. So yes, you should be cordial, polite, well mannered, intuitive, attentive, and timely. I don't want lightening speed. In fact, if you bring me my entree before I'm done with my appetizer, I'll send it back. Wait staff is supposed to pay attention to things like this. Especially in finer establishments.

If I eat at Hooters or any other franchise or chain restaurant (which I avoid like the plague), I expect a level of service fitting to that type of establishment.

If I'm paying $100+ for a meal and you want me to lay down another $20 on top of that, you'd better not be in a shitty mood with me, I'm sorry.

also, i tip people in food service so they don't spit in my food (or worse) on future visits. i've seen Waiting, and it scares me.

You are good to go as long as you don't send food back or be a complete ass to the wait staff....

although I haven't worked in the food industry for many years, some of my friends still do.....

I send food back if it is not prepared properly or if there is something wrong with it. I eat at more expensive establishments, so if I'm paying $35 for an entree, it had better be warm and free of hair. If any server gets in a piss about it, they can go fuck themselves. And if any of them spit in food, they don't deserve their jobs. I'd like to hold them down and piss in their mouths; see how they like it.

That said, if a server is distracted, in a mood, or otherwise seems like they couldn't care less if I was there, they automatically lose 5% of their tip. If the shoddiness continues, the tip slides from there.

The culture of obligation and expectation has got to go. Earn your money like everyone else. If you do a great job, you'll get rewarded accordingly. If you do a shit job, expect shit pay.

Doing one's job does not warrant a tip in any situation. I tip servers generously (18% - 22%) unless they fuck up horribly, but that is because I appreciate what they do. I am very particular about my bartenders; I tend to find ones I like and follow them around; so I tip them even more generously. But do I feel obligated to do so? No. If you don't like the wage, don't take the job. This idea that I need to pay extra to have my food brought to me is asinine.

That said, I do not value any service my letter carrier provides.

But is value the only reason? I valued the service my vasectomy doctor provided me; possibly more than I value the service of my bartender, but I didn't tip him. I'm extremely pleased with my dentist, but he doesn't get a prepaid debit card in a Hallmark around this time of year. They guy that keeps my storm drain clean of debris does a tip-top job, but sadly, no tip for him.

Why do we tip at all? We've established it's not necessarily a salary thing since apparently tattoo artists make a killing off of "art". We've also established that it isn't necessarily about how much or little we value a service. So why do we, or why should we tip?

i don't get tipped for doing my job like i'm supposed to, and postal service employees make more than i do to start with.

the only time i can justify or understand tipping someone is when tips are a significant source of their income, i.e. servers in restaurants, tattoo artists, etc.

Unless that tattoo artist works in a shitty shop or is a shitty artist, pretty sure they are making way more then a mail carrier...that being said...I do tip my tattoo artist, but not my mail carrier....

Average salary for a mail carrier is well over 40k to do what amounts to an exercise regimen.

I'm not tipping them.

Mail should disappear along with my carrier.

No.

I hate mail and think it should go away. USPS should just drop the extra "S" and move on. Parcels and packages only. No envelopes. No catalogs. No fliers. No waste.

It's weird that Scott has yet to make a guilt-trip post in this thread.

He's too busy defending/plugging AP at the moment. Enjoy it while you can.

Pirating invites: the baseball cards of the 21st century.

^^

Hole... New Radicals... Silverchair... Marilyn Manson... WILCO.

That's like finding a fucking filet mignon in a bucket of ground chuck.

Goddamn this thread is stupid.

And you can rest easy knowing you made this thread, and the world, a better place.

Way to contribute!

Going back to school (Tulane) in January and I'm looking to get a part time job. I see ads for data entry positions from home all the time, and I'm a bit curious. Seems easy and I can essentially do it whenever I feel like it.

Has anyone else ever done something like this? Is it legit?

^^

Amazing. I didn't believe it was possible to cram that much shit into one magazine.

I now stand corrected.

bought this for $20 from somebody 5 minutes after they stole it from an HMV. haha

What is funny about committing crime (and I mean you for knowingly purchasing stolen goods)?

The answer is nothing.

I stole your sugar. And I'll do it again, too.

it IS a fabulous mspaint/photoshop.

It's a billboard on I-80. When you enter into Cleveland, it's right on the edge of town. Right after the Cleveland Rocks! billboard.

This needs more appreciation.

is a christian side ok? i don't know if i can hug another man in the traditonal sense of the word. it might move a little.

WTF is a "christian side"? Sounds like some sort of gay band. You know how I hate those...

i would too if i was a tattoo artist. being young is different than when you're older, you're still growing and your mind is still a sponge of sort. you haven't fully developed and aren't set in your ways yet. if you were 30 and still sober, then it'd be a different story.

i dated a guy one who got a pretty sizable straight edge tattoo on his arm before he was 20, then became a huge booze hound. pretty funny.

i've thought about getting an edge tattoo, but i would never get an obnoxious XXX or anything like that.

People would think you were a porn star, not an edge kid. Careful, you might get cornholed. Especially in Nebraska.

also selfreliable is certainly not a fake poster and is in fact, awesome. he sold me YFW, the dvd, and Deja for a sweet deal once.

oh sorry. I forgot we cant bring up gay bands in this thread :'( don't banhammer me plz.

Consider this fair warning.

If anyone mentions Four Year Strong, they are automatically banned.

Also, enough of this edge talk. I don't give a shit if you're edge, corner, or center. Make your own goddamn thread.

Hugs.

i love how bradley is now the "GAY BAND POLICE". someone needs to make him an avatar stat!!

Not an avatar, but at least now it is official.

I am convinced you are a fake poster. No one can be this ignorant on accident.

Its not ignorance, its sarcasm that you apparently dont get. "jocks and assholes" is a straight reference from Against Me! for gods sake.

If I have to tell you again to keep gay bands out of this thread, I'm going to have to ban you.

Santiago,

You should totally change the name of your band to Worldwide ZOH!OH! Exclamation marks are hot and all of the coolest bands are doing it. And you should read AP to get some fashion and hair advice. Long hair is sooooo 1992 (the year I was born!!) Your band could be so awesome and everyone in my class thinks so. Also, use one of those voice things so you sound like T-Pain when you sing. That would be very cool.

Love,

FangurlOH!3

PS

Wear white knee socks.

PSS

You should tour with 3OH!3. They're my favorite.

PSSS

I also really like Cobra Starship. You should be friends with them!

PSSSS

Let's be super cool internet besties on myspace!!!!

Are jackets like these still fashionable?

Only if you're wearing the aforementioned white knee socks, desert boots, and shorts. I suspect both of these chaps are.

3OH!3 are awesome. I especially like how they spelled out the 0 in their name and added an exclamation mark! I'm going to do that from now on! The year is 2OH!1OH!

Who needs cred when you're having fun? Is that, like, the AP slogan or something?

Also, the site I got this image from is good for some laughs.

Best Music Magazines

The economy has taken a rough turn in the past few years, most notably this year and music magazines are starting to feel the heat. Is it because the internet makes it so much easier to read music news or because having a physical magazine is a hassle? I personally love getting a magazine, especially if my favorite band is on the front cover (or in it at all). In my experience as a bandom fangirl, I’d like to recommend a few magazines that really hit you with the latest music.

Alternative Press

* The best magazine I’ve ever read

* Covers music, fashion, video games, anime, movies, anything band related, gadgets etc

* Album reviewers are (in my opinion) spot on, Scott Heisel is my favorite

* the clothes they advertise are awesome

* The hometown heroes section allows up and coming bands to get recognition

* The photography is amazing, each shot of the band is unique and modern

* It’s a true fan experience, reading about your favorite bands and other readers’ opinions too

* Even if you’re not a music buff, it offers plenty of opportunities to teach you about the music and the scene, about the fashion and instruments.

* Really a great buy!

Best magazine ever! I heart Heisel! Yay, XO!! Fangirls rule!!

Maybe its cause the magazine has gone down hill in the past 5 years? Maybe its cause the music reviews suck? Maybe cause its filled with fucking ads yet the price goes up and up. Maybe its got a terrible art department. (Remember that sweet dashboard cover with the door to his heart open, I am a huge Chris Carrabba fan and even I thought that was fucking lame).

You mean this cover?

Lol.

^^

That is a bull. You cannot milk a bull as bulls do not have udders. So the previous assertion that he is tugging on the bulls scrotum is somewhat accurate.

Not only is that design horrific, it is not anatomically correct.