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Get a cart with a line contact stylus, you'll be free of sibilance simple.
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Hello,
Im sure there are 100's of threads to look at, but I thought it would be more direct for me to just drop another one.
I am currently using what I believe is an old HiFi turntable (the MTT1) with a built in pre amp and a pretty decent speaker system along side it.
I am looking to upgrade to a better turntable and am looking for something preferably with a built in pre amp (unless i could find a good price on a player and a pre amp).
I don't know too much about what to look for realistically so any help would be brilliant.
I am looking spend around 200-250 english pounds on the turntable, so if you could give me any help I would appreciate it a lot.
Cheers, Kieran
So you have separate speakers and amp but no preamp/phono in?
Pick up a used TT in that range and you'll have something nice, used Pro-ject or Rega can be done on Ebay. What's your local Gumtree like? Might be something there. If you want to go new there are a few options, Pro-Ject Elemental is pretty basic or an Audio Technica AT-LP120 has built in pre. That said built in preamps will always be poor, if you could get a used TT with decent cart for £100-150 and then pick up a good preamp new or used I think then you'd maximise your cash.
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There's no need to argue gents, we are all men of reason here. tomsdubs, not sure if you haven't been around these parts long, but slinch is (usually) one of the lesser-sarcastic and most helpful posters for newbies to this forum (he wrote the beginners guide to hifi on the top of this forum for pete's sake, which I can't believe hasn't been brought up for the OP at this point in the thread). So cool down man.
For me, I think it's hard to sincerely answer this OP's questions with patience in a thread like this, at this point it is extremely common for a new poster to start a thread and ask "I just got [insert entry-level equipment here] and it sounds really bad! Why is that?" Once you've seen and answered 100 other users same exact questions, it gets to a point where I either stop posting for a while or just want to tell people to get different equipment. I think slinch fell victim to the latter category.
Anyway, every issue that could be cause for the OP's symptoms has been brough up at this point and I hope he is able to figure it out, albeit having to deal with some slight hostility along the way. Personally from what I read I think what he is hearing are limitations of the at95e, if he were to upgrade it I don't think he would be hearing the same problems. Either that or his copy of that queen album is worn out.
Yeah I got a bit annoyed at the reply but I'm cool about it, this guy needs help and I don't understand why people need to take bad attitudes with it. Just make a quick post pointing them in the right direction is the easiest way to deal with it. The 95e probably is at its limits here and that Queen LP might well be well played, that's why I suggested testing with some other LPs to prove the alignment. Stylus wear is eliminated I guess because it is new. Hopefully Currrbell gets to the bottom of the problem.
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Oh, why thank you kind sir
Don't you think that that's why I mentioned it in the first place?
I was simply explaining why the LP120 isn't a good table.Sibilance is audio performance as well. Very hard to grasp, I agree. And if you listen to his clip, sibilance isn't the only issue either.
Clearaudio Solution, Grado Prestige Gold. Not the best, but gets the job done*.
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It isn't an audio performance issue, it's a set up issue that they need help with. The AT-LP120 is a 1200 clone that is perfectly capable of playing a record flawlessly so drop the stupid fucking attitude. I don't know what it is about this forum and people like you with shitty attitudes but I guess this is why this place is avoided. You are the classic sad idiot with big fish small pond syndrome, telling people how their tables are poor. Why not post something useful? You were completely incorrect in your first statement, deal with it and move on.
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Why would you even need to mod it to bypass the preamp circuitry if it has zero to do with the circuits?
I guess it boils down to what your definition of "plenty good enough" is. That recording up there might be plenty good enough to some.
To stop the signal running through circuits full of resistors and capacitors it doesn't need to, if you can't grasp how that would help then I don't think you are knowledgeable enough to be commenting on the tables' performance. I wonder if you even know the performance spec of that table. The guy has a problem with sibilance not audio performance, you seem to find this hard to grasp. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
Out of interest, what turntable do you use and with what cart?
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To be honest he's got a tricky LP to track there with Mercury's vocals, I've never used that cart but maybe it's at its limits performance wise. It could be the LP. Listen to a few LPs with high pitched vocalists and see how they sound. For what it is worth you want to be using baerwald protractor and make you print it to the same scale. Using that it also ended exactly where my overhang should be.
slinch: That table is fine, plenty good enough. I think you are massively exaggerating. It has zero to do with the circuits. Slap a better cart on it and it will be perfectly good for playback, they can always mod it to bypass the internal preamp circuit and have a reasonable sl-1200 clone.
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Bit of a douchey reply while barely reading their post there, congrats.
Currrbell:
The S sound issue you hear is sibilance and means you need to align the cartridge, you can get printable protractors to put on you platter to align your cartridge. Bring the VTF back down to middle of the range this isn't the answer. Have you balanced the the tonearm and set the weight correctly? If you are unsure youtube it, you have an sl-1200/1210 clone so those will work for guides too.
Here's a couple of links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jizk-3JGzag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJelRnSv1Kk
Feel free to ask any questions.
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Got this in the mail the other day and finally getting to listen now. Noticed the volume gets louder and lower in certain parts of songs. Anyone else have that?
Definitely noticed that on the digital version, not very professional.
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If you really wanted to get away from IGD you should have bought the 440 not the 120.
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I've tried both Stenvenson and Baerwald protractors on my SL-1200 and still not really experienced noticeable distortion or sibilance at any point. There are many ways you can align depending what your preference is, I really want a test record to test the limits and set my anti-skate correctly.
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Yes it is, but it favors highs more than anything, the 120e is pretty even accross the whole sound spectrum, that is why I prefer it.
Not true, the 440MLa is very balanced and has plenty of bass. The stylus is also microline which is much better imo. IGD does not exist with the 440 and it wears less due to the angled profile. There are drawbacks like having to be more careful with scratched records as it damages easier. Both great cartridges though, the styluses are interchangeable.
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Loads of good direct drive quartz lock tables everywhere here in the UK and can be had under £100. Someone on my local Gumtree had a pristine SL-Q3 for £60 the other week. You can get used Pro-Jects under £150 too.
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The 440 isn't bright it is just very detailed and tracks the highs very well. Love mine.
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This isn't "good" direct drive, but even still direct drive has a lot of downsides in terms of fidelity. There are few direct drive audiophile grade turntables for a reason.
Very vague and who gives a shit about audiophiles. Diminishing returns means they are wrestling over shit I can't even hear. Bear in mind i own a high spec belt drive and an SL-1200. List these issues.
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AT-440MLa is the best cart I've owned so far, I had a Shure m97xE before and hated it. Tried altering capacitance and even change preamp it was just boring and terrible. The AT carts are just so much more engaging and the highs are great, also microline stylus makes those inner grooves sound perfect. I also have two AT-110e carts which are great for the price.
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This is what Im trying to say. Im going to wait until I read reviews, I dont understand the hostility or whats so wrong with being intrigued by a new turntable. There are people on this very board spending 400 on a glorified Crosley aka the orbit.
Orbit is a joke to me.
"We're gonna make a $150 TT!" Actual minimum price for most basic crap version $180. Then you have to wait months for it to arrive and people still buy em. With the price of the upgrades you can buy far superior tables with carbon fibre arms etc. Are used Technics hard to come by near you?
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What's wrong with DD? Good direct drive is fucking awesome.
Looking at this table it seems to come from the same factory as the LP-120, the wow and flutter spec is not bad but doesn't touch the SL-1200. Made in China so beware and wait for reviews.
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The 1200 was designed as a hi-fi deck, the specs and design were top of the line Technics. To call it a DJ table is false.
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I caught an M97xE with a cloth once, snapped the cantilever. Was kinda glad because it meant I was free from being bored of all music played back by horrible Shure carts.
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Probably has pressure switches on the platter to let it know what size record you have on. Slight warp possibly not confirming it has a record on there or something similar. Read part of this thread so this may have been said already but I got bored of reading all the piss take.
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No order as that would be impossible for me:
Deftones - White Pony (Tied with ATF really)
Idlewild - 100 Broken Windows
My Vitriol - Finelines (Shoegaze infused hard rock masterpiece)
Tom Vek - Leisure Seizure (Massively underrated and his new track is immense)
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
Pearl Jam - Vs
Hum - You'd Prefer An Astronaut
Porcupine Tree - Stupid Dream (Could have gone with In Absentia here, can't split em)
Pete Yorn - Day I Forgot
Matthew Good - Avalanche
Honourable mentions:
Foo Fighters - There Is Nothing Left To Lose
The Smiths - Meat Is Murder (Johnny Marr is a song writing genius.)
Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A-Changin'
Stone Temple Pilots - Purple
Alice In Chains - Dirt
Rush - Moving Pictures
Pantera - Far Beyond Driven
Mock Orange - Mind Is Not Brain
Third Eye Blind - Blue
Meshuggah - Nothing
Yeah 10 isn't enough. This probably changes on a monthly basis
I was simply explaining why the LP120 isn't a good table.
Should I sell 2 SL-MK5Gs in order to upgrade to a single, better table?
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The hassle of selling and buying isn't worth it IMO for the Rega, you'd be more cost effective selling one and upgrading speakers and cartridge then modding your remaining TT. Pick up a proper preamp as well. Speed stability has always been an issue with Regas, your Technics wipes the floor in that regard, materials wise yes not as an advanced arm but still pretty good. Manual belt change would annoy me also.
I had a high end semi-auto Dual (well still do) before getting an SL-1200 MK2, enjoying my records more than ever now. The MK5s are a rarer table now I wouldn't want to part with them.