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This thread gave me the runs.

Just one look at No Sleep's twitter and man do they get real butt hurt real fast with people. What gives?

Oh, alright.

Oh boy.

Shit happens sometimes guys, records can arrive to the label later than the expected date. You'll get your stuff. I got my Quicksand reissues probably a good week and a half before the expected date.

Thanks for that article! I'm really enjoying this album.

Sorry to keep adding to this, but they also hinted at Quicksand not being happy with this repress. - They personally licensed it to RJ. - When that shit happened, Walter worked it out with Dine Alone and SRC to reissue the record. - Quicksand had input on Slip and Manic Compression, and even dug up old photos to use for the inside of the Slip gatefold, along with the extra promo shot that was included for the MC poster and gatefold. - Quicksand were given copies of the record to sell both on tour, AND in their webstore. - To add to that, if Quicksand were so unhappy, why would Walter personally do business with them yet again for the Rival Schools - Found release? Walter owned the tapes. There was no way for SRC to "go behind his back" to buy the license and press it without his approval.

According to No Sleep: So why are they flipping out RE: SRC pressing it and being this evil entity, when according to them Handsome likely won't get money from their pressing either. Let's say they don't get paid. Now they've got two ways of recouping the label. And if they do get paid? Then they've got two sources of income for something that was released 16 years ago. If 6131 didn't have their logo on the back of the shirt (they're not signed to 6131 Records) and if all proceeds from the shirt went directly to the band, then I'd understand them using the t-shirt thing as an excuse.

I don't want anyone to think that I'm taking sides here, although it probably looks that way. Just figured that being I have the resources/ability to at least get SOME clarification from members regarding the entire situation, I should go ahead and do it. I'm presenting whats been given to me and going on that. Nothing I've said is bullshit, I didn't mock anything, I didn't retype words, etc. All I wanted to do was cancel one color, being that I ordered the other, and buy SRC's pressing which - on paper - looks like it's gonna be great. No refund? That's fine. I'll still pick it up and save one for another member here. I'm just not a huge fan of them insulting people just for asking for a refund, and insinuating that people aren't true fans because of it. Whatever, that's their prerogative. We do know this: SRC was granted rights earlier this summer. According to Peter, they (Handsome) were aware of this. 6131 are massive fans of the record, and they too put in a request for the rights. According to Peter, 6131 was unsure if they were going to release it after finding this out.. but they ended up getting the license as well and announced theirs in July. SRC announced theirs after getting all details together yesterday. The vinyl community then ended up turning itself into one giant butthole.

No reason to bullshit

And SRC is still getting shit for this, even after it's revealed they got the license first with band knowledge.

Guitarist/founder of Handsome and also played in Helmet. Edit: oops, jhulud beat me to it haha.

Here's the message that PRCDC sent to me late last year after seeing my post about it in the Quicksand - Slip thread. So SRC wasn't bullshitting, they did seek the license. And according to Peter himself, they knew prior that SRC grabbed the license (makes sense, he was posting and hinting about it on FB by asking if people wanted it on vinyl) and 6131 wasn't gonna follow up but DID end up getting the license as well. The band didn't disapprove (not that they could have), and 6131 is trying to pass this off as some illegal and unethical bootleg that the band had absolutely no idea of.

Received a response from Peter.

Oh, I thought you meant with both of them licensing the record. Haha. My bad man.

How so?

They (SRC) probably had to shell out more for those two tracks, as they were originally only released/distributed overseas when the CD first came out. With that response above, it seems like the band doesn't have any involvement with 6131's pressing outside of them being aware that they would be pressing it.

Asked Sean from 6131 about it and he said this:

Jesus shit Christ, No Sleep and 6131 are getting into it with people on Twitter over this. FWIW, I reached out to Peter Mengede regarding the SRC/6131 fiasco and hope to hear back from him in a bit.

Thats what it said. No Sleep emailed a friend of mine the same thing - 6131 will NOT be accepting any cancellations for the Handsome LP. I mean, if you really wanted to you could call your credit card company (and possibly Paypal) to cancel due to the fact that it was a posted/charged preorder and not just an authorization charge.

What the fuck did I just watch/listen to?

So does anyone know any more information regarding 6131's pressing? They haven't released anything about the mastering/sourcing. Really hope its not sourced from the CD. And why are they making fun of people wanting a refund? Feelings towards SRC aside, can you blame someone for wanting the better (if it is) overall product?

And thanks for the info cactusbot.

I will say that I know Quicksand got copies of the SRC reissues.