thebiglebowski Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Aroldis hit 100 strikouts on the year through 53.2 innings. Nuts! $30 million over 6 years is a freaking steal of a contract for the Reds. I wonder what the record is for strikeouts in a season without making a single start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 looked it up after I posted Dick Radatz, 1964 Red Sox, 181 strikeouts Probably threw a ton of innings. Lidge has kinda the "modern" record with 157 in 2004. Chapman has a chance to pass that mark. Another 25 innings should get him around 50 strikeouts. Will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flood Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 things i would not have believed at the begining of the season. 1. the yankees would be behind washington in # of wins. 2. the orioles and pirates would almost have the same record as them on 8.8.12 3. AJ Burnett would be #2 in wins for all of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 Aroldis hit 100 strikouts on the year through 53.2 innings. Nuts! $30 million over 6 years is a freaking steal of a contract for the Reds. I wonder what the record is for strikeouts in a season without making a single start? I remember when he became a FA from Cuba that he got that contract and everyone was like holy shit, thats a lot of money for a pitcher who people have barely even seen play. Now its one of the most team-friendly contracts in the league (I think Longoria is still the biggest bargain in all of baseball, maybe behind Trout just cause Trout is still in his rookie contract and obviously hasnt even gone thru arbitration yet). I know the Angels were in talks with Chapman before he signed with the Reds, I think it was Kendrys who was kinda recruiting him. Id kill to have that guy in our pen right now considering how much of a joke its been this year. I havent seen a lefty throw like that since The Big Unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 Well it appears that unless Jered Weaver is pitching the Angels have no shot at winning a game. The A's cant hit for shit but they roped Wilson yesterday and today even Geinke is getting roped. This is a fucking joke, the entire pitching staff minus Weaver should be embarrassed. /rant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flood Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 dont feel too bad travis, at least you dont have a team of future hall of famers that either homers or strikes out to make you tear your hair out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 valentine could not have done a worse job managing that game today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 ....and it only took less than 1 inning for the Angels pen to blow ANOTHER fucking lead. God dammit!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 Does anyone have ESPN Insider? If so would you mind posting the rest of this article? http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8246801/calculating-contract-extension-mike-trout-mlb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Anybody else see Frenchy steal some popcorn from the fans while chasing down a foul ball? It was hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBech Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Does anyone here agree with how the Nationals are handling Strasburg? I feel that they should just let him pitch. To much coddling of players these days. Plus if I was him and they kept on doing this to him I'd leave first chance I got. I understand they have made an investment in him but this could be their chance to make the playoff etc. You don't know what next year what your competition or how your team will progress/digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 coddling is the worst. all it does is serve for justification of the outrageous contracts these guys sign. i totally understand that from and ownership and management perspective, its important not to burn out a star pitchers arm. but you just hear it, all to constantly, from the guys of way back when telling about going CG on the reg. yet felix dubronts getting shut down for now, because now hes accumulated a few more innings than he did last year. ::wank wank:: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Dubront is getting shut down cause he is pitching poor as hell. Fuck, he through 100 pitches in 4.1 innings? Thats not a good thing. As far as Strasburg, it is an incredibly smart move to limit him. Considering he pushed himself to come back faster than the time table from Tommy John and EVERY doctor is saying that he should not over pitch this year as it could have serious damage to him. It is not coddling him when they want to make sure he still has an arm after a major surgery. I would however had rested him before now, having him miss a start here and there so he could pitch down the stretch/playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBech Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I just don't think you should ever go with the mindset that we weill win next year to. You just never know what freak injuries could happen. Play for the present. Not the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 They arent banking on winning next year, they are doing it for safety. They have a lot invested in him. They can pitch him till his arm falls off this year, and then are stuck with 5 years of a contract with the talent of a Rick Ankiel. He is getting butts into the stadium ever since he came up, why blow it all on one year when you can get people to keep coming out for 5 more years selling out every game? Business wise it is the smartest thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBech Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I think them winning will put more butts in the seats than anything else. Plus he is a pitcher. The motion puts so much stress on his arm that he is going to eventually break down. Football teams don't stop playing young players near the end of the season because they could get hurt and they want to save him for years to come when they are leading the league. Everytime he throws the ball he risks ending it all. He knows that and wants to keep on playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 1) Strasburg has already been injured and is coming back earlier than anyone else from a career changing surgery. Look at the top tier talent that has had it and never got back on track from it. 2) there is a huge difference between any player in football and a pitcher. The pitcher is putting his arm in stress on every single play, the QB gets hand-offs to save arm and taking hits, RB and WR get rotated out and defensive players dont play in every formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBech Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Yet at the end of their careers who is crippled? http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8253442/shut-stephen-strasburg-just-let-pitch Read the quotes from the pitchers. I get that rest may prolong his career but would you rather have a career of mediocrity because you were babied or one where you were a winner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBech Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I'd understand if this was 43-70 season, not a 70-43 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 If they're really going to shut Stras down then they should have just skipped a handful of starts throughout the year so they have him to throw in important games at the end of the season. Put pitch count limits on him early in the year....stuff like that. Not go balls out all year then wait til the end of August and completely shut him down. Plus it looks like they will get into the playoffs and then he's obviously going to pitch in game 1 and wont have pitched against live hitting in a month or whatever. I understand what they're doing and its not a bad idea, I just think they are going about it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBech Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 They said no matter what, even if they are in the playoffs he is not playing. Also it seems like a waste of money to me to have a healthy player riding the bench for the pure reason that you think it MAY prevent an injury that could POSSIBLY happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Yet at the end of their careers who is crippled? http://espn.go.com/m...-just-let-pitch Read the quotes from the pitchers. I get that rest may prolong his career but would you rather have a career of mediocrity because you were babied or one where you were a winner? When you are the team and you dont care about winning as much as you do as making money hand over fist? You do the smart thing. This isnt up to him, its up to the people that are making millions of dollars off of him. they are doing the smart business move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBech Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Maybe your right. I just feel like the money is in winning so not putting yourself to win is asking to be less profitable. I don't think there is a sizable difference when he pitches to the amount of fans at the game. I could be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted August 12, 2012 Author Share Posted August 12, 2012 So what happens next year? Another innings limit or do they just let him go? BBech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 I'm not going to take a side one way or another but the fact that the entire baseball world is divided on innings limits means there is no single, right answer that works in all cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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