smash2pieces

any comments on the new video?

i thought it was really a different direction for her (i suppose a lot of red is) and wasn't sure what to think of it.

honestly though, anything i didn't like about the video was made up for by the fact that it was t-swift, so...

My record finally shipped!! Should have it Friday - yay!

*high fives* 

Either way, this is a stupid thread.

he was like "they messed up my order"

and we were like....

thanks for the lists travis!

wow..thats just awful

girlfriend and i in chicago about a month ago

and thanks for the link ry bread, i needed that today.

i'm surprised no one has brought up the way that violence is showcased by media in America. maybe some of you have seen the documentary "this film is not yet rated" about the way that the mpaa rates movies? this is just one more thing to consider, that we are brought up in a culture where violence is condemned but also promoted very hypocritically.

i'd like to thank the other posters in here who are teachers as well, they already have a hard enough job and i can't imagine the burden they must feel every time something like this happens..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/connecticut-elementary-school-shooting-how-to-help_n_2302760.html

there are 3 links on this page here telling how you can help the families and donate for counseling/bereavement services.

jacob have you ever thought about trying raw?

so hard to fathom this happening in a small town like this, but sadly i suppose i shouldn't be surprised. like many of you were saying, it's very hard to stop someone from doing something like this if they're very determined. i admit that i am normally against gun control, but things like this definitely make me question that stance. also, that's so messed up that news outlets were posting that guy's facebook, it just goes to show that there are people on the "good" side of this who are ruining lives too 

no matter what, prayers go out to the families and victims of this tragedy...

i wonder if she's still feeling 22....

i think it'd be interesting to get my bloodwork done as well, Jacob was there anything abnormal in yours since you became vegan? also have you ever tried going raw? I'd been watching some videos on it/reading a little bit, and have thought about it before but never tried. I'm curious to talk to someone who has.

and biglebowski, I don't know if you saw this, but I got an email about Gaslight Anthem coming to the Fillmore in March, so I'd be done to go to that show and hang out.

You guys make me feel morbidly obese when you guys are around 130-150 lol I'm sitting at around 255-260

As for how I gain weight, it beats me.... I kind of keep a cal tab in the back of my head when I eat. Also I'm big on portion control, the main factor probably comes from protein shakes and my undying hatred of cottage cheese ( that I force myself to eat.)

yeah i'm around 135-140 but i'm like 5'7". Like I said before, gonna try to put on some more muscle after finals.

Also, I just wanted you to know that your signature is what inspired me to come out of the closet on the boards with my passionate love for Taylor Swift

Cool man. Yeah, I like discussing this stuff too or I would have just let it go.

By the way, what school in MI? I'm getting my doctorate from Wayne in a couple months.

I actually go to EMU. It's my first year here, transferred from a community college in Kzoo. I'm actually excited to go back home for winter break now (finals this week) because there's a vegan place over there that I just found out about that has vegan pancakes (I used to go to Ihop with my girlfriend all the time haha).

Like I was saying before, I've really been putting a lot of effort into trying to make sure I'm getting the right stuff to maintain an ideal weight and everything, though I definitely am lighter now and my mom/gf tell me my face is a lot more "sunken in". Kinda worried me that I wasn't doing it right. I've done P90-X before and did Insanity for a while before school started, definitely thinking about getting back into Insanity after finals though.

also, very very very stoked to see I'm Scared and I'm Sorry is on here

@smash2pieces

don't really use it but whats the harm, i think it's a pretty neat idea!

I'm open to listening but I continue to stick to my claims that the majority of research into diet is centered on correlation, not causation. The word "correlated" is all over the wiki for that China Study book. I guarantee you that if I had the time I could find books and articles that refute 90% of that authors claims, maybe more. A common one would be that people who eat a lot of fish have lower cholesterol and heart disease (omega 3s).

I mean, I'm not putting a ton of effort into this argument but isn't it possible that the difference in heart disease and cholesterol between the counties in that study are based on animal eaters being fatter on average? Does he control for weight and body fat in his claims? Being fat definitely predisposes you to heart disease. No one would argue. The part I am skeptical of is whether eating meat causes heart disease or being fat does (which is correlated with eating meat, but it doesn't necessarily make you fat). I can't say more without reading it I guess.

And I'm not supporting this book but using it as a point that you can find claims in print that are outright contradictory. This lady claims a no carb diet cured her breast cancer in two weeks and cured her son of diabetes (something that The China Study claims, is best handled by not eating meat). I'm a fan of the keto diet and even I think that sounds kooky. Just using it as an example that just cause you read it in a book, doesn't mean it is fact. Every claim should be challenged.

http://www.amazon.co...=ketogenic diet

That's definitely true, and I don't mean to claim that anything in there is fact or proves one point of view. I thought I'd point it out because that is (in my experience) a highly referenced study for vegans to point to in backing up there diet.

As for as that keto diet and other diets, I really haven't looked into those a whole lot. For the most part, and even now, I became vegan because of animals rights/ethical issues, and the health aspect was sort of an afterthought. I did consider going into dietetics for a while though so you have peaked my interest with what you said - thought thats not a good thing around finals time because I need sleep! Recently I have been paying a lot more attention to what my body really needs now that I've sort of "stabilized"(?) after being on a vegan diet for about 6 months now.

Anyways, it is nice to see the different perspectives on this from everyone here.

thank you ry bread! let's get back the important issue at hand here!

yet another case of me being happy and my wallet being cast aside, empty and blowing in the wind...

So...many...casey....heads...

it's like a red army coming out of my computer..

I used this piece of satire for my presentation and was glad that I did because it sure got my audience's attention.

Another thing to think about is something called "caloric density". This is what contributes to the weight loss/energy increase. "Vegan foods" have a low caloric density while animal-derived foods have a high caloric density. This means that when you fill up on animal foods, that you reach your daily calorie limit (around 2500 calories on average) before your hunger is satisfied.

http://www.happyhealthylonglife.com/.a/6a00e54fc8012e8833017c3185242f970b-500wi

Thats a balanced approach and I can respect it.

The only part I question the links between dairy and cancer or heart disease. I would like to see results from a well planned scientific experiment from a reputable university or health group before I believe this. The same argument that I posted earlier in the thread about saturated fat in the diet can be made here -- how do you determine the cause of cancer? Does milk cause it or are vegans generally healthier than the average, omnivorous human being (smoking and drinking less, exercising more, carrying less body fat, eating less or no fast food), thus when you look for patterns in the general population you see that people who don't eat dairy are less likely to get cancer?

You could even take it to the extreme and say that people who become vegans are, in general, more likely to have less stress in their lives, come from the middle or upper class, and other socio-economic factors that contribute to heart disease. It's a more tenuous link but possible.

You see this all the time with the media trying to shock you into ratings -- "New study shows that eating lots of onions (or any number of a thousand things) reduces your risk of cancer. Tune in at 6." Eggs are good, eggs are bad, eggs are good, eggs are bad. No one agrees on the healthiest diet because no one knows -- they just find tenuous links that they sell to the public because that is their job. Just stay balanced and keep the body fat down (high body fat being the result of an imbalance in nutrition or exercise). The rest is out of your hands.

http://www.amazon.com/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/dp/1932100660

Not sure if you've ever heard of the China Study done by Colin Campbell, but it is the largest study ever done examining the relationship between nutrition and health. In China, certain regions are "confined" to their local diet and conditions for their entire lifetime, so there is stable data and not as many variables to worry about. I would say that it's definitely worth checking out. He is a main contributor in the Forks Over Knives movie as well.

And lastly, I would be interested to see scientific evidence that suggests that a reasonable amount (ie, the daily allowance on the food pyramid) of milk is bad for you. Not milk with hormones and antibiotics, just plain old milk. If you can produce it I will read with an open mind.

http://www.amazon.com/Vegan-Ethics-Eating-Erik-Marcus/dp/0935526870

I just got done reading this book for my presentation and I wish I could copy and paste a chapter out of this book entitled "The Perfect Food Isn't". To sort of sum up: Fat content (in 2% milk fat is 34% of the calories), evidence linking milk protein to insulin-dependent diabetes, digestive problems/allergies. And what Jacob said: high protein diets can actually cause bone loss (i.e. milk boosts protein intake).