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I think you guys have lost sight of the important things in life...

Conan's not too happy about you posting that bro...

Try the VC Detroit thread.

I think this is about as close as it gets isn't it?

For those still looking for a copy of this, I've posted one on eBay, as well as an explanation as to why it's on eBay. (SPOILER ALERT: veterinary care ain't cheap!)

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150983531580

Wow, just read this thread today. I know it's late but congrats! Such a cool idea!

Good luck with selling it!

Any of you guys going to the Silverstein Tour coming up? I don't know if there's a Chicago date, but I'll be going to the Detroit date next Friday the 25th at the Crofoot.

The only way to cause zero harm to animals would be to end your life (which no one should). You could also go buddhist and give up all possessions and meditate under a tree for 12 hours a day to minimize your impact on the environment. If you aren't going to do that, then I think the right thing to do is to not sweat the small stuff, whether honey is OK for vegans being one of them.

I've thought about this a lot, and agree that no one should have to hold themselves to such a high standard that they're beating themselves over a small thing like that. It's also important to point out that sometimes (depending on location), vegetarians/vegans end up contributing to environmental destruction more, i.e. in the case of Soya brand and deforestation. I also recently just read an article about the skyrocketing cost of quinoa due to demand causing the people who grow it, and it is a staple for, to not even be able to afford it which is really a scary thought.

So you're definitely right, it is such a complex issue that sometimes it is very difficult to know where every last ingredient and product you by came from, how it was produced, etc. Personally, I'm trying to simplify my life by buying a lot less "stuff" all together, have been buying clothes from American Apparel (off eBay!!), and try to be a responsible consumer. If you've ever heard of the UFC Fighter Mac Danzing, he's a vegan and I think has a great viewpoint on the "vegan consumer". 

Yeah, I bought a few cookbooks that I am going to start working my way through once I get through this last semester of college. I am really excited about it. 

 

I didn't hear about the vegan religion debate, but I hope no one declares it anything like that. It is a lifestyle choice, like being straight edge. I think once anything becomes a movement or organization like that it starts to get kooky. 

 

I am more interested in the debate about honey and whether or not it is vegan...I mean...are the bees in any kind of pain or anything while they are making honey....very interesting....

I have the book that goes along with Forks Over Knives, and it has a cookbook in the back, but thats it for me. I usually just stick to trying to find stuff online. I'm not too good with cookbooks for some reason.

Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of the whole thing. I don't think she should be forced to consume animal products, but I'm not sure calling it a religion is going to turn a whole lot of people onto it. I think it would lead to exclusion (like other religions) and would turn it into one of those "I'm better then you" type of things.

I know a lot of companies with the "leaping bunny" logo (I think that's what it's called) on their products will have something in the FAQ section of their websites that will say something about how the bees weren't harmed...if they have beeswax as one of their ingredients. A big one for example is Burt's Bees. I bought a pack of their chapstick a while ago, before I realized that that was one of the ingredients. I still use it, but probably won't buy it again. However, it's probably better then the "Chapstick" brand, since they are run by a company that Does test on animals. 

You might be interested in these:

http://www.mediapeta.com/peta/PDF/companiesdonttest.pdf

http://www.mediapeta.com/peta/PDF/companiesdotest.pdf

I think that both of those lists get updated pretty much daily too.

If a mosquito lands on you and starts sucking your blood, do you kill it or let it take your blood and fly away?

I usually just chop that part of my body off and let it go. In all seriousness though, I'd smack the shit out of it.

I'm still not sure how to feel about insects, most of the time I'll just throw them outside, but spiders bother me a lot.

The next thing I was going to post on here was asking if anyone had any favorite recipes haha. I've made dishes with lentils, and burgers with garbanzo beans, but never burgers with lentils. Anyway, I agree with the point you made about the supplements/everything soy. That's what I like about Dr. Campbell from the movie Forks Over Knives: he always says that he'd rather not use the term "vegan", rather he promotes a "whole foods, plant-based diet", which in my opinion is what a vegan diet really should be.

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/15558960120239346479?q=vegan%20vitamin%20supplements&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.b2I&biw=1168&bih=680&sa=X&ei=uGP7UICMK4ei2QW0wIGIBg&ved=0CGUQ8wIwAA#ps-sellers

 

 

these. cheap, and pretty great.

Thanks for this! I think I might try them out 

There was a lot of different things, mainly being exposed to the treatment of animals in slaughterhouses. I knew as soon as I found out about it that I had to start taking steps to be vegan. I just can't be a part of something that is so awful and barbaric. My fiance and I also want to start being healthier people so this seemed like a great thing to do. My main reason is the treatment of animals though. 

 

I am really excited about it and can't wait till summer so I can cut out meat altogether. I think the hardest thing for me is going to be cutting out cheese, but Giant Eagle carries Daiya cheese so the next time I am down that way I am going to grab some and try it out. 

That's awesome man! I definitely did it completely for animal rights. Like I said before, cheese was definitely the hardest thing for me (my weakness being pizza). I think the most important thing is to discover all of the awesome combinations of the foods you do have. It has given me a completely new view of nature, and just how amazing it is that we can grow food that tastes great and is nutritional.

On that note, have any of you heard of the debate about whether to consider vegetarianism/veganism a "religion"? http://www.care2.com/causes/is-veganism-a-religion-court-considers-claim.html

cheese is the only thing keeping me from going vegan... I cut soft drinks out of my diet cold turkey five months ago, so I'm sure I could do the same with cheese, but I'm not sure I want to yet.

I actually went vegan when I was still living at home, but moved out about 2 months later. Since then, what has made the diet change so easy for me was being in control of ALL of the food that I buy, since it's just for me. That includes soda, which I would drink sometimes since we would have it around the house.

"Bitch"

I appreciate that you used quotes.

Holy shit. That. Was. Intense.

Yeah...

Yeah, NEVER send out before someone pays. That was a lapse in judgment. Now we realize you're dealing with this asshole and he's not going to pay anyway, BUT if I was a buyer and for whatever reason was taking a few days to pay and you shipped it out and had it intercepted before I paid that's YOUR fault. Not mine and if you tried to charge me for it I'd give you negative feedback. Definitely don't just cancel the transaction. Go through with the unpaid claim so he gets the negative mark. It will help the rest of us out who don't allow buyers with negative marks to bid. Also, if you file a nonpaying bidder they won't be able to leave you feedback.

Alright. I appreciate the advice man, that's what I'll do.

Yeah, I would NEVER ship something on eBay before getting paid. That's just pure dumb.

I let the board down on this one 

Reports are out that the Touassossopo guy was crying about it getting out of control and the lengths he went to keep it up. With that woman talking to ESPN and these other people coming forward that "they had a cousin duped" as well. I'm not buying it. I think people will step up to talk to cover up for him (maybe for some $$$.) This just gets more and more bizarre. The more bizarre it gets the more I think teams will be turned off by him.

either that or they'll want him even more, for the publicity. you know, except maybe bill belichek. 

i love hidden camera shows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXscF4M1oTI

(Usually) bands of Christians > Christian Bands

agreed. any ideas why though?

why would you send out a record to someone who hadn't paid yet? why.

Yeah, you're telling me. Stupidest mistake I've made selling on eBay and definitely won't happen again. Like I said, I was just really busy with school and trying to get the record shipped out as quickly as possible.

Have any of you guys heard of the band Neck Deep? A lot of people say they're the British version of TSSF. They're definitely worth checking out, in my opinion.

Hope this can help someone out. It's a list of pretty much any substitution you would have to make!

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Vegan_Substitutions

i absolutely love this guy, but i guess i never realized he had anything on vinyl. pretty cool! would love to see one of your guys' collections if you get a chance to take a picture.

any new updates on how the family is doing on funds or their baby? sending prayers their way.

OH hey, long time no post here.

 

I wanted to say I got my bloodwork back.

 

I'm guesstimating everything because I don't have the report, but...

 

I had the cholesterol level of 105, or that of a 3 year old, but the doctor said it's totally fine.  

B12 ~ 350.  the safe range is 200-900mg, but it said something similar to "older adults with vitamin B12 levels between 200 and 500 pg/mL may also have symptoms."

 

I don't know my D level since the test came late, but my D level was low.  I don't think this is as related to veganism as much as I don't go outside much in the winter.  I don't take vitamins, but I'm going to start once I order vegan gummies.

 

I also had a low platelet count in my blood, but he said there was nothing to worry unless I start bruising or bleeding easily.

 

He said, due to my low cholesterol and low blood pressure that I was going to live for a very long time.

thanks for bumping up the thread man, i completely forgot about it! those look like pretty awesome results and makes me really curious to get my own done. if you don't mind me asking, how much did it cost? or was it something that was covered by your insurance?

I didn't even know there was a thread for this...I am slowly working my way into a vegan diet and I hope to be completely done with meat by June of this year...I wish I could go full force right now, but I just don't have the time to concentrate a lot on it right now because this is my last semester of college and my life is about to go batshit crazy on me...

 

I'm glad to know there is a thread to talk about this stuff though...I know no one around here gets it...I told my dad I was going to quit eating meat and he wanted to know why and "where are you getting all this animal rights shit"...

i know what you mean...i went vegetarian and then vegan in a family where everyone ate meat, every night! i know for me, i had to take my time easing into going vegan just to give myself time to get acquainted with the new diet and to find alternatives for some things.

i'm always curious to know what different things motivate people to change their diet. Did you have any?