captainreiss

Well said!

I suppose here is how it works: First of all you only need one or two records, FAT colour vinyl for instance has a strong following and the coloured rarities are well documented. If you have 2 or 3 which are semi rare you are well set up. List them here and then you list another 10 more or less rare ones. That way it looks more legit, like you are getting rid of your priced collection etc... Now when someone buys the 2 or 3 that you have, of course you send them. And also of course you collect the money for the records you don't have (let's call them "imaginary ones") Now you tell everyone including the ones that ordered (but won't get) the imaginary ones, that they are in the post. Eventually the first rare ones arrive so feedback gets posted that they have arrived safe & sound yadda yadda and the others with the imaginary records are content as the record "is in the post".. That gives you a couple of more weeks until the first doubting posts go up. Ok, this is making things trickier. But fear not, all you need to have is another excuse. (Often Paypal holds the money for 30days before releasing it so buying time is important...) A good one is to claim that that particular record was in the second batch that you meant to post but you had to go to the hospital/dental operation/sick granny, but you will send it now recorded. Clever, you get the sympathy vote! But you need to be a little smarter as suspicion has already risen...So you do the electronic pre-postage and send the buyers the tracking number. Some will check it straight away, quickly you tell them that it takes a few hours sometimes up to 48 hrs to appear in the tracker, whilst others won't check for a week or so...again you bought some time until they realise you never sent anything but just gave a pre-postage tracking number. Finally you must by now have made it over the one month hurdle, time to eliminate some doubt. You get a friend to post in the forum defending you. Clever again! this friend will claim he bought a record, he was worried first as you had told them that you were in at the hospital/dental operation/sick granny, but now it arrived and all is good. Haha! 50/50 divide. Of course you get the experienced guys saying that you are a scammer and not to trust you, but some will now give you the benefit of the doubt. Greed is on your side. Pride is on your side. Hope too. In the end the scammed guys want to believe that you are good, because the want the record, they don't want to be a scam victim and they hope the first two are true. If you get really good at this and manage to stretch out any element above or are lucky enough that no stand up member calls you out you may make it beyond the magic 45 day mark and avoid the Paypal claims...devious! If you get caught before the 45 days, just send a wrong, cheap record and Paypal will believe you that you sent it. That buys you another 2 weeks until it gets there. Naturally the buyer is an honest soul and will amend from "not received" to an "Item not as described" claim. And that is exactly what you wanted... This is utterly is brilliant because now the buyer cannot simply claim "purchase not received", but the buyer has to return the record at his expense but with a tracking reference ($$$) in order to get the money back. And of course you will never pay for the shipping, Paypal does not reimburse for that and the buyer is out of pocket once more. In any case, if it gets too hot or you have enough you withdraw your money and lie low for a while. Pick another persona, another forum. Lather, rinse repeat... That may work. I had been stitched in a similar way by duhboardwalk (rick angley, rxa etc), luckily I caught him because he knobbed up when using multiple personas and mailed me from the wrong account under the wrong name before the 45 days were up. Now ask yourself, does any of this sound familiar? Can you recognise the pattern in any of this. At which point will you bail? Don't get scammed, usually if it is too good to be true, a paypal claim follows. IMHO capt.

That is a douche alright..

Can you elaborate?

We all do. Paypal will reimburse them taht have lost money and we need to keep our eyes open. Watch this space.

I agree you did not think this through. If you file a Paypal claim and you did receive your records, you are actually committing fraud yourself. On the legal front against the scammer, the likelihood is that the money is gone from the scammer's account already. He also seemed to have used other accounts so they are now the target of attack by Paypal. For instance if let's say Peter agrees with Bob to take money on Bob's behalf and Bob does the shipping, the liability is with Peter to deliver the goods. If Bob defaults, Peter will have to pick up the tab. If Peter was stupid enough to forward proceeds, maybe against a handling fee to Bob; Peter not Bob will have to make good from his own funds. The claim is against the person that got paid by the buyer. Peter obviously has got a claim against Bob, but unless he has forwarded the money via Paypal as a 'Goods' transaction he has no protection whatsoever. If Peter has no money, Paypal will refund the money and take it off peter later on. Paypal does not care about Bob in this instance at all. For Paypal this is only between Peter and the buyer. If Peter decides to bail and Paypal does not reclaim the money, the will do a quantitative assessment periodically to either change the rules to reduce losses that way or put up the fees. Which means that all the good sellers eventually pay for uncollected claims against bad sellers. So claiming fraudulently only hurts the community, apart from being a crime.

Whenever I send gift money it wants me to pay the fee (well it asks who will), regardless where I send this too.

Just to correct one thing, Gift payments using paypal are not free at least not from the UK. It used to be free, now the sender pays the fees, they are simply added to the checkout and the recipient gets the full amount without deductions. And the obvious that you cannot claim because you have not bought anything. So you pay more for less protection.

Which one nonemoreblack76 or that jennyguy?

Cool, that is nice. Already got it though. Thx for posting.

Thanks frunsi, is it similar to this one?

bump

frunsi is a good dude. I know him from the wiki. frunsi is the HOF the typical green clear copy?

Sorry to all that got scammed. It seems that if there is one lesson from this: Listen to the member with 4000+ posts. He called it. The methods are similar to that rick angley scammer from the Bronx, Multiple accounts, multiple Paypal addresses, a huge willingness to send pictures and sick/away from home stories. Plus a few successful purchases so you see some Kudos. Paypal claim is your friend, remember to report all the email addresses that you got I don't think you can trust anyone in that chain.

LOL, pm'd

Which of these have you got left now pinch?

Thanks buddy, have just left you your first and of course positive feedback! If you want to leave me my first in the feedback section (click my profile >leave feedback) would be rad. 100resolutions, great seller and nice guy!

bump, cannot believe how long since anybody looked at this

Interesting. So you pay for goods and after the transaction is complete he refunds the money so no fees are due. And if for some reason he did not refund you still have the option to make a paypal claim. Clever So as long as the records and money transferred are of equal value, both are covered. Is that the way it works?

pm'd

pm'd

how about killallhippies? Much debate about him, lists the rarest records on Discogs for high prices, then the prices drop every 24hrs by $50. When mailed to send photos of the records, he does not reply. For transaction related questions he responds, but as soon as Paypal is paid communication ceases. All sounds/looks very fishy. I have yet to hear from someone receiving their loot, but it is early days.

Awesome record. Only got the CD, but there are two BINs on ebay at the mo.

Shame.