buddha4281

Here to report my Crow was just cancelled. Womp womp.

Thank you for this!

Any plans for US distro?

Didnt listen to any of the tracks before the release. Most I heard was a short teaser thing on their instagram. Kind of wanted to be.. surprised? Being that the vinyl is coming from Italy, I didnt want to wait to listen to that. Sorry, no self control. haha. Anyway, I listened a couple times now. I like it.  its pretty in line with Crash's "Knots" musically but poppier I would say. Which you can weigh however you'd like. I don't view that as a bad thing really.  I plan to listen a few more times and obviously spin it once it arrives. Its a real good first release though. I really hope they are a band that is around for awhile. 

On 4/30/2019 at 7:43 PM, Stress On The Sky said:

Definitely a toss up between Broker and the now sadly defunct Nitkowski for my faves.
 

I checked out both of these and thought they were decent. Idk about mathcore as a genre, so i cant say much to that. to me they both kind of sounded like mathy skramz like Kidcrash. 

I would also say that Nitkowski (at least the album listened to) reminded me of what it might sound like if Pretend decided to start a skramz band with the singer of Suis La Lune singing. 

But yeah, thank you for sharing these!

https://www.last.fm/user/buddha4281

use it fairly constantly  via google music on my phone. sometimes through spotify mobile but not as often. and even less often for spotify on my laptop.

On 5/3/2019 at 1:18 PM, chunkrock said:

I've got a few recommendations for current Canadian Math Rock bands that sound mostly influenced by late 90's early 2000's math rock

Yooo. Thanks for all these! I've liked most of the stuff I've heard out of Canada in the past. Weights & Measures, Rockets Red Glare, Blake, North of America, etc. Though those last few are more post hardcore with mathy tendencies. But anywayyyy

For modern Canadian stuff, I would like to throw  Shipley Hollow from Toronto into the mix. My band played with them some years ago and I was kind of floored. And since then, they went from being a 5 piece down to a 3 piece. And their new format is just as strong in my opinion.  

Here's their bandcamp link as well

https://shipleyhollow.bandcamp.com/

20 hours ago, Stress On The Sky said:

What's the consensus on Math-core? 

 

Definitely a toss up between Broker and the now sadly defunct Nitkowski for my faves.

*Silently awaits my crucifixion*

I am not personally familiar with math-core as a genre i suppose. I listen to Converge, Botch, Coalesce, etc. But from the sounds of this, thats something different all together. 

Thank you for posting these bands. I'm going to check both of them out!

2 hours ago, MachoHommeRandallSauvage said:

 

I mean...yeah they are? For years and years Slint was one of the main bands people would mention when someone would ask what sort of bands play math rock.

 

Something doesn't have to be as fast and disjointed as Hella to be considered mathy. I've seen at least a few people in this thread mention how broad a spectrum this genre covers, so for you to come in and definitively calls bands that fall within the bounds of math rock "not math" baffles me.

I thought maybe he was mocking me since I have sadly kind of been that guy in this thread. haha

but yeah, personally, I think most of those "not math" bands ARE Math Rock. Like, I get that they arent using capos, tapping every 5 seconds, and playing in 11/4. But thats like what the genre is now, you know? It didnt used to be that way. idk.

15 hours ago, Derek™ said:

Chiming in to report that Lynx is the shit.  Felt like a slightly more melodic and accessible Don Caballero.  But anyone who's into math rock knows that repeated listens are where the real magic happens, so I'm keen to spend some more time with it.

DUDE! So glad you like them! As mentioned earlier by @BarryZeto  , their EP is also extremely good and worth searching out. Back in the day, they had a entire live concert on their posthumous Myspace (haha) page. But i believe it had been uploaded directly to Myspace. So i dont think it exists anymore.

edit: initially i only found one track from the live show on YouTube, but then I found this user that has every song from the aforementioned live  set. Idk what the order was, but at least you can see them live.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmFbgyxUf4p90W6hj_gzZ7A

Keeping in line with the board...

What math rock albums do you guys own on vinyl?

5 hours ago, Tommy said:

edit: the more research I do I'm seeing a distinct intersection of these bands with what is considered math rock. My first introduction to 'math rock' is with Mercury Program so I never associated the more emo acts with math rock, I just assumed it was more technical post rock with time changes

total no offense meant with this, but I would argue "emo" acts like Braid, Moneen, early Mock Orange, Damiera, and more recent stuff like T/T/T and Lifted Bells have MUCH MORE in common with Math Rock (especially modern math rock) than The Mercury Program. But, sadly, it seems like the definition of the genre ALMOST comes down to a person to person interpretation. And even then HOW people hear about different bands can also effect what genre they view them as. Like, no one will argue Don Cab, Hella or Tera Melos arent math rock (except maybe the members of those bands hahaha) but when you start getting into bands that share elements with post rock or post hardcore (for example) , it becomes more difficult. 

Probably goes back to like, Slint releasing "Spiderland" and some songs on there sound like the seeds of post rock, and some are more in line with early, aggressive math rock. ex. I found out about Shellac because they were often mentioned in reference to Math Rock and those earlier bands. As time went on and i listened to them though, they are just a post hardcore band that incorporates some off kilter rhythms from time to time.  But that is my opinion. And I think that opinion also comes from how the genre changed. Maybe at a time where their contemporaries were Rodan and Chavez, Shellac was a math rock band. But the genre grew away from the beginning elements. And modern stuff shares very little with the early stuff. 

Btw, I mentioned the above emo bands because all of them have off kilter times & noodley shit (to different degrees obvs) that are in line with with math rock. I wouldn't call Braid, Mock Orange or Moneen math rock. Damiera? T/T/T? Lifted Bells? I might honestly.  Like i said, how someone finds a band clearly highly effects how they view that band. The Mercury Program is too similar to Tortoise for me to ever consider them math rock. More concise, more straight forward, more rock influenced jazzy post rock. BUT ONCE again, thats just my opinion.  And I believe I found The Mercury Program through Tortoise. And I know someone else could argue "well, TMP have these elements that are in line with math rock. So they are math rock" and that would be their opinion. I just, dont hear it personally. 

My other unpopular opinions: Toe is Post Rock. Unwound was never math rock.  Mouse On The Keys is mostly Nu Jazz. And Progressive Rock and Jazz are influences on the genre and therefore, are not applicable to being called "math rock." haha,

All  genre bs things aside, I will say every band mentioned in this thread is pretty great. And I have compiled a short list of the stuff I havent heard to check out. later. So its pretty exciting tbh. 

I hope everyone into T/T/T is also all about Lifted Bells. Their drummer is sick. And the 2 guitar interplay is top notch.  Some very good lineage in that band.

Also (not related to anything posted previously) but Paul Slack was probably the best math rock bassist, maybe ever. He played in SWIMS and Planets. Both bands are 2 piece instrumental drum & bass format, and yet his playing is much different in each project. 

https://swims.bandcamp.com/album/swims-ep

I can't find the Planets full length in full online anywhere. But here is a track from it

https://youtu.be/E89pBjj_sgc

Dude quit music and opened a math rock themed sandwich shop. I shit you not. Look at the menu. Some of the item names are amazing.

https://www.meltednapavalley.com

16 hours ago, Skacel said:

Anyone mentioned 65dos yet (are they math rock?)?

Post rock. Though, I only know "The Fall Of Math" so i concede they could've changed after that. That album is extremely good though IMO.

6 hours ago, Derek™ said:

To keep this thread alive and well, I would suggest that anyone makes sure to post their thoughts or impressions on artists they've checked out through the recommendations provided here.  

yo. I know you showed interest in that band Lynx. and for whatever reason they are kind of hard to come by. but i did find this to make it easier for you/anyone else interested. 

https://lynx4.bandcamp.com/releases

9 minutes ago, Derek™ said:

It'd be like someone calling Cap'n Jazz math rock – I could see where they were coming from, sonically, and wouldn't argue it. 

Speaking of Cap'n Jazz, can we all admit that modern Math Rock would not be where it is without OWLS. fuck. i cant believe i forgot them. haha. cause whether its TTNG or T/T/T, those players guitar styles owe a shit ton to stuff Victor put out on that first Owls LP. Ghost & Vodka are rad, but his guitar lines on Owls are just next level IMO

1 minute ago, Derek™ said:

I will concede that Mercury Program are 100% closer to the likes of Tortoise than something like Hella or Tera Melos, but but as far as the "ear" for this stuff is concerned, I wouldn't be surprised if the general population of RYM, Last.fm, etc. all tagged Mercury as math rock.

Its almost like different sides of the same coin honestly. there is so much bleed over, etc. that I know Post Rock and Math Rock are used for the same bands pretty regularly. So yeah its all down to opinion with some of the stuff that isnt super blatant (Hella, Planets, etc) . Hell, I know when i first heard ASIWYFA, I just thought they were mathy post rock. haha. :-X

8 hours ago, Derek™ said:

Everyone is sleeping on Totorro, out of France.  A little less metal influenced than either of the above bands, if that’s your cup of tea.

SERIOUSLY! I love these guys. And I really love how they approach the genre. Just playing together. Nothing too crazy. But still great.  And honestly pretty upbeat and happy. Which doesnt always happen

Gonna get hate for this but... The Mercury Program is not a math rock band. They are more straight forward Tortoise influenced post rock. Sorrryyyyy. Maybe their first LP but outside of that, no no no.  

"The View From This Tower" by Faraquet is technically post hardcore, but you seriously cannot argue it influenced SO MANY math rock bands with the guitar playing. Something to look into. If you are into the more Don Cab/A Minor Forest/etc style, I cant recommend the Lynx LP enough. One of the guitarists is in Battles now. And the bassist was in a shit ton of awesome post hardcore bands. I back mention of Maps & Atlases "Trees" EP. That EP and the first Tera Melos album basically changed the approach of math rock that came after. Not to mention Piglet. Omg Piglet.  What else. hmm. Rumah Sakit. Weight & Measures.  Volta Do Mar. Okay I'm done talking. haha.

Just a note though. if you are looking to explore the genre, just be aware that the older/earlier stuff (slint, polvo, rodan, chavez, etc) sounds EXTREMELY different then now a days stuff (Covet, Friends, Invalids,etc) that is marked with the same genre title. 

anyone get a update about their order from 1-2-3-4 Go? I'm not particularly worried since I've ordered from them years past without issue. Just checking

1 hour ago, craigeduk said:

Seems like the UK was the only place to get this easily since here Warners ended up shipping everything weeks early

I think you're probably right. My fiance lives in Edinburgh. She's been out of town the last week, but checked some shops for me today. One shop that got The Crow said they received 10 copies. They had all sold out by the time she checked today though. But I would bet that is more copies than my local record store received haha. 

Just now, pizza face said:

Anyone else grab something random on RSD that they've never heard of before? I got Griot Galaxy yesterday, it's great if you like avant-garde jazz. Definitely check it out, bullmoose still has copies and it looks like you can buy it pretty cheap still 

I mentioned it some pages back, but I picked up the Ocampo, Ocampo + Watt 7inch. Had no clue that was a project. But I obviously know Devin Ocampo from Faraquet, etc. And Mike Watt from Minutemen, Etc. So maybe that doesnt fit.

7 minutes ago, Papi Blanco said:

https://rockandsoul.com/products/green-day-woodstock-1994-live-12-vinyl

 

green day

thank you so much! 

now all thats left is the crow soundtrack. which....everyone on here is also seemingly looking for haha

no Green Day at Rough Trade. I'll keep checking discogs and wait on bullmoose. So odd. I thought that and The Crow would be easier to come by. womp womp

do those 3" play on a reg turn table or do i also have to seek out one of the crappy crosley ones? I've seen the foo's a few times and avoided it because i read somewhere online it will only play on that crosley

Wasnt able to get to my local store until almost 5pm. But I was still able to get Jeff Buckley & Mission of Burma. Also got the Ocampo, Ocampo & Watt 7inch. Had no clue that was even a thing and i love 2/3 of that group. so nabbed it. 

Didnt get Foo's, Green Day, The Crow and Weezer B-sides. Hoping most, if not all, will be available online in the next few days for reasonable prices.