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I don't get HOW they're still booking bands then.

and about Hardcore Marketing, they may be nice dudes, I have no idea, but I see absolutely no reason why they feel the need to book shows in Erie PA, in a completely different state, where kids have been booking shows themselves of the same size or larger for the last 25 years. Its all about making a profit for themselves, not keeping a community alive with this subculture. I think they learned pretty quickly that you cannot exploit the Erie community for profit.

No, the Toledo dude hasn't (to my knowledge) said a thing bad. And he only did three shows there from November to January 06-07 (the last two did terrible). I am speculating that he is the one doing the shows in November since those bands share the same agent as the ones last fall/winter. You may know them Scott, Hardcore Marketing out of Cleveland. The one dude is from Toledo who books shows in erie. Only time I ever talked to them was when he offered to do a show with me, and acted like I was some 17 year old kid. The venue management on the other hand has and continues to slander me. I lost money on a Darkest Hour show for a few reasons and I couldn't pay the rent that night, I had to wait to get paid at work two days later and then i'd have the rest of the money. He flippppped out and tried to fight me in the office. The dude is handicapped, walks with a cane, so he was swinging it at me and at the door and threatening to "bury me" and pulling the "do you know who I am?" bullshit. I paid him two days later, only because I still had two more shows booked there, but to this day he claims I still owe him $400 for rent for that show and a Righteous Jams show. I knew then that it was over.

Based on that same idea I absolutely depise "ticket minimums." you mean selling advance tickets? yeah, I have never made any bands sell tickets for shows. I do tell them that if I find out they do not promote the show they're done for, I mean thats their job as a local band, to promote/draw kids. But yeah, i've never made anyone sell tickets.. but Just Surrender is from the NYC area I think... seriously how can you expect a band to do your job when they live 7 hours away?!

it just blows my mind how ANYONE can tell a band "no, you do not get what I promised you" and blame the band that no one came out... thats why people are called promoters... to promote... the band/show...

I agree, except when they won't take "no" for an answer. Spitalfield's agent asked me for December 2nd, since im "banned" from forward hall the only venue I could use for that sunday is the hangout, which is closed on sundays. so i had to tell them nothing could happen, and I TOLD them about how shitty FH is. Still got booked there. I told them i'd book the show in Pittsburgh or anywhere else between here and there (since that is the ONLY western PA date on their farewell tour), but they didn't want that. I'm talking to Mark about it tonight since this happened. As for Sworn Enemy, they were banned from the venue last time I booked them for destroying a toliet. soooooooo, when no one shows up to the show and they don't get paid, I am sure something else will get broken.

There is this venue in Erie that has come under new management as of April 2006. I think a few of you have been there (Forward Hall) under old and new management I believe. I had my falling out with the new guy last semptember, had my last show there last december and haven't been back since. Now, the guy who took over is in his mid 40's, so everything after this line just blows my mind. In November I found out Dead to Fall were booked at the Hall for January. I made a few calls and found out that he had been contacted by a guy from TOLEDO to book shows at forward hall. So thats cool, sure, whatever, let a dude 3 hours away book shows we in Erie could handle. He also then went out and over the summer, emailed agency's slandering me saying that I have outstanding debts, don't pay bands, and don't promote shows, citing a Poison the Well show I did only having 150 kids at it, when 6 years ago there were 400 kids (though how he knows that blows my mind). Most shrugged it off, but he some how managed to get 6 shows in Oct, Nov, Dec this way. Now, this weekend he had a tour come through (Just Surrender and 2 others) and had guarunteed the package$1,000 for a saturday night show. He paid them $400 bucks at the end of the night calling them faggots, rockstars and throwing shit at them. I talked to the guys who booked the tour (I think some of you know him) and the bands management and no one can get ahold of him. He's got Sworn Enemy coming in 2 weeks and Dead To Fall in 1 month as well as Spitalfield (which REALLY REALLY REALLY pissed me off....) but to my question.... have ANY of you worked or played with/at a venue like this????? It sucks.. Dave Steele and I worked SO fucking hard to make that place amazing from 99 - 05, and seriously in a span of 14 months he's ruined everything we did.

put the HWM article online.

I think every band I have ever worked with has fudged the numbers on soundscan. When we signed to a label to release our full length record the head dude TOLD us to always write down 10% of capacity as what we sold for our records. whether we did that or not, doesn't matter because the label folded and our record went out of print (i.e. stuck in a warehouse), but the fact we were told too.. well, just shows you that labels tell their bands to do that.

what system?

I BELIEVE he does. They're not big posters at all, I think they're half of an 11x17 poster? maybe a little smaller? the light blue on the poster is of a computer keyboard. Most of the posters he made were for shows I had booked, I tried to get bands to autograph a few of them so I could sell them at benefit shows, but I kept forgetting about it until after the show.. I got the blood brothers to sign the poster though! I SHOuLD have gotten my chemical romance to sign the piebald one too! talk about MONEYYYYY

so torn apart/disciple had a split too? so i know of 3 now! what about the other 6!

AH HA!

one of my favorite records

holy shit. i need to find that

im keeping the BK/BTGOG 7", they're both two of my fav bands

whats all the info on these? I have two kid dynamite/elliott 7"s with perfect zines. I can't remember how many Adel made, I have the BK 7" with no zine, so I was kinda curious how many and how many were pressed of each

thems some of the posters. if you want any info on the artist, let me know.

$1 PLZ

I snagged one i believe!

how many did you have left?

don't get me started about the patriots. belicheck is a cheater. fuck him.

thats amazing! I was 11 when he started in GB! I've grown up with Favre in GB, its going to be weird once he retires in the next few years.

you mean snoozefest 2007? no thanks.