kannibal Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Not as small of a minority as you may think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Throwing in my vote as a user of the at440, I switched from an ortofon 2m blue which I was not a fan of the sound of but I know I'm in the minority on these boards with that opinion Should I be looking at the 440 MLA or MLB? What is the difference exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 MLB is the newest version, not sure what changed they made, but they are most likely minor and not going to be noticeable. I'd go with the cheapest one you can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 MLB is the newest version, not sure what changed they made, but they are most likely minor and not going to be noticeable. I'd go with the cheapest one you can find. There was a $20 difference between the two so I was curious if something would be different before picking one. One says dual magnet and the other says dual moving magnet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Both are MM carts, so you don't need to worry about that. Main difference seems to be slightly better channel separation and frequency response on the B. I doubt the difference would be noticeable to most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl addict Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 If the extra $50 really makes the difference, I will just wait a bit longer and get the AT440 instead of wanting to upgrade again later. I find that no matter how good a record is pressed, I still get slight sibilance at elevated volumes, although no where near as much as I had with the cart that came with the table. And the low end feels weak to me, though I'm not sure if the music I prefer is recorded that way on vinyl vs. how it sounds on a digital file. The speakers I have now I picked up for $10 from Craigslist, and they run circles around the Sony towers I had before which work better as front end for my home theater receiver.Sounds like you need to check your cartridge alignment. Before upgrading anything, make sure your rig is set up properly. A new cart wont sound any better if it's not aligned and set-up correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Sounds like you need to check your cartridge alignment. Before upgrading anything, make sure your rig is set up properly. A new cart wont sound any better if it's not aligned and set-up correctly I've double checked it with a gauge and it has the proper overhang, as well as the proper angle. I really don't think it's so much my table as it is my lower end speakers and receiver which I plan to upgrade when possible financially. Changing to the Omega it has now was a huge step up from the old Stanton cart it had when I bought it. A new cart will come after purchasing new speakers and an integrated amplifier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl addict Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Did you get the sibilance with the original cart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Did you get the sibilance with the original cart? Loads more than now. Before hand, it was like being in a room full of snakes, but now it's really only at high playing volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl addict Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Can you play a CD of the same album through the same stereo/speakers? Tell me if it still exists on CD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Can you play a CD of the same album through the same stereo/speakers? Tell me if it still exists on CD It's just on my vinyl, this is based on songs I have heard time and time again in digital form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl addict Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 If it's just on your vinyl, then it's most likely not your speakers. Something is off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 if it's not alignment which it usually is, I know you've aligned it but there is more than one alignment solution and in very extreme cases you just have to do it by eye and ear. Other possible options are a phono stage that has too much gain or more likely poor cartridge loading. What is the volume level like compared to CD? Depends how technical you are but if you research cartridge loading you can add or remove resistance and or capacitance at the phono stage input if that is the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 if it's not alignment which it usually is, I know you've aligned it but there is more than one alignment solution and in very extreme cases you just have to do it by eye and ear. Other possible options are a phono stage that has too much gain or more likely poor cartridge loading. What is the volume level like compared to CD? Depends how technical you are but if you research cartridge loading you can add or remove resistance and or capacitance at the phono stage input if that is the problem I was thinking along the lines of the phono stage in the receiver as well Allen. I have to adjust the volume up or down around 5 clicks between my digital listening and when it's on the phono stage. I know I want to move to an integrated amp eventually, so a separate phono stage is a planned step along the way as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl addict Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 5 clicks is probably not the problem. Sibilance starts at the cart alignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 5 clicks is probably not the problem. Sibilance starts at the cart alignment. I wish there was an electronics shop locally I could take it to for a pro opinion, but unfortunately I live in a small town that doesn't offer such Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl addict Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 That was going to be my next question. There's no audio shops in your area? Most will offer cart alignment. Sibilance can really ruin the whole experience, so let's get it fixed if we can. Where abouts in SC are you? PM me if you don't want to say on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 That was going to be my next question. There's no audio shops in your area? Most will offer cart alignment. Sibilance can really ruin the whole experience, so let's get it fixed if we can. Where abouts in SC are you? PM me if you don't want to say on here. Florence, pretty much right in between Myrtle Beach and Columbia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl addict Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 How about Audible Visions? Premier Sound? "The Stereo Shop" in MB seems like the right place. Hell, even Best Buy offers home installation. If you are lucky, maybe someone there is knowledgeable enough to either help you out, or refer you to someone who can. You need someone to confirm your cartridge alignment before you start buying things to correct the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 How about Audible Visions? Premier Sound? "The Stereo Shop" in MB seems like the right place. Hell, even Best Buy offers home installation. If you are lucky, maybe someone there is knowledgeable enough to either help you out, or refer you to someone who can. You need someone to confirm your cartridge alignment before you start buying things to correct the problem. I will look into those places. Not being a driving person doesn't help much either, but I can manage to find someone to take me. Looks like Audible Visions is mostly for home theater and security system installs. It's not far from my house, but have never really noticed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinyl addict Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Yeah just make a few phone calls and see if they can help you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajxd Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Florence, pretty much right in between Myrtle Beach and Columbia. Jesus. I grew up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Jesus. I grew up there. My sincerest apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I was thinking along the lines of the phono stage in the receiver as well Allen. I have to adjust the volume up or down around 5 clicks between my digital listening and when it's on the phono stage. I know I want to move to an integrated amp eventually, so a separate phono stage is a planned step along the way as well different volume levels between digital and phono are quite common and sometimes if there isn't a volume difference it's because the phono stage is over driven to equalise the levels at the expense of quality, hence the question. 5 clicks is probably not the problem. Sibilance starts at the cart alignment. Pretty much although if the eq curve is wrong it can add sibilance but that would be because the whole tonal balance has shifted up I would play around with different alignment types first until you find one that suits your cart and arm. It can be very frustrating but worth the effort and you will learn the effect that changes in different directions and planes have on the stylus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatGreenOne77 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 different volume levels between digital and phono are quite common and sometimes if there isn't a volume difference it's because the phono stage is over driven to equalize the levels at the expense of quality, hence the question. Pretty much although if the eq curve is wrong it can add sibilance but that would be because the whole tonal balance has shifted up I would play around with different alignment types first until you find one that suits your cart and arm. It can be very frustrating but worth the effort and you will learn the effect that changes in different directions and planes have on the stylus. Thank you so very much for the tips and the help you guys vinyl addict 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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