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[kurtz]

-- We like to make colored vinyl for every copy pressed so that EVERY person that gets a copy essentially gets a SPECIAL copy. I think that's cool. As an after effect, for some records, that also means that uber-nerds break into a sweat every time a new batch of records arrives from the plant. This is a side effect. We're not shirking it, but really, 95% of each pressing (or more) is going to NEW people, not collectors who have multiples.

^ My favorite thing about No Idea. Even though the last record I bought was black. haha. (Glass & Ashes - Aesthetic Arrest-4th Press)

[caseypower]

I have a first pressing. who wants it?

[wooderson]

Don't take it too seriously

/thread

[adamlikesmusic]

Really there are probably less than a thousand or two copies between all of the variant collectors. Most people seem content with 1 copy of it.

You really believe that only 1,000-2,000 different people own this record? I know the band has quite a few collectors who do variants, but come on, that's a little low.

That isn't at all what I said.

I am saying 1-2000 copies are tied up between collectors. The other 15,000 aren't.

Edit - Nevermind, someone else explained it.

[jailhouse]

You think I would get murdered if I staged a mass record burning of variants on the latest pressing?

It would be a funny thing to do around a bunch of AM collectors.

[wooderson]

You think I would get murdered if I staged a mass record burning of variants on the latest pressing?

It would be a funny thing to do around a bunch of AM collectors.

good idea you nazi, let's have a music burning.

[jailhouse]

You think I would get murdered if I staged a mass record burning of variants on the latest pressing?

It would be a funny thing to do around a bunch of AM collectors.

good idea you nazi, let's have a music burning.

It was a joke.

Damn this thread is way too serious

Lighten up!

What this thread needs is a CIRCLE JERK!

[fluffernutter]

-- Did anyone notice that we changed the logo / address on the back cover of RAR? I wondered if anyone caught that. There have been at least five variations of the covers over the years. Mostly it's just in the paper stock or varnish (and not all were intentional).

Damned variants! I noticed a difference on the spine as well. Never Ender too!

Also, these colors fade across the pressing. So, if we make 500 records, there might be 4 distinct colors. But they fade in and out. So what starts as "orange" might be lighter for 20 and darker for 20 but fairly consistent for the middle 200. Overall you have 240 orange. Where do you draw the line? Could you get uber-anal and call it THREE colors of orange? Sure. But that gets crazy after a while. Variation within the variation?

Since I always forget what I ordered I turned up with 2 different mustard pressings for The Holy Mountains, Enemies. One it Guldens Spicy Brown and the other is + Ketchup.

[nickheitman]

180 gram w/ blue cover. that would be my essential RAR, even if it was limited to 5,000

[adamlikesmusic]

Blue cover does look really nice.

Either way, I'll still continue to buy new presses.

[nickheitman]

Blue cover does look really nice.

Either way, I'll still continue to buy new presses.

do whatchu do

[adamlikesmusic]

Do work.

[alphanumerica]

Does any one have a 3rd press Gold matte finish with the single sided lyric sheet, a silver No Idea catalog insert and a note from from Matt saying "Go fuck a hooker, asshole."

[adamlikesmusic]

I had one, but traded it to Andy.

[mattramone]

Foil cover! 374 gram pressing! N00dz of Heather as the insert!

[vardcore]

You know 180 gram is silly, right? 140 gram does not sound 40 grams different. It sounds the same. It just SEEMS very cool when you pick it up. Why is that? It's all psychological. All it really does is cost more to ship, more to press, and it eats up resources faster. Petroleum. Gotta love it. There has already been a vinyl shortage, semi-resolved for the moment, but still: the raw material is shipping from overseas. Records are far from "green" to begin with. 180 just seems like going overboard. That's just me.

(Prediction: Prices are going to skyrocket for vinyl from the Czech Republic, not that I press there, though many do. Hooray falling USD! Look for steady increases on domestic pressings over the next year too.)

Why the hell am I talking about this? Oh yeah, the suggestion of blue 180 Gram. Not gonna happen. Picture Disc? Probably gonna happen before 2008 takes a crap and little baby 2009 rolls in. Been on the backburner for years. Other variation that's been peeing itself to be born? Red/Black split color. Yeah. I said it. Think about it. Let the flavor seep into your face. (No promises on that one, but it would be cool.)

Salsa. Guacamole. Made fresh. Think about that instead.

[AsleepOnRocks]

You know 180 gram is silly, right? 140 gram does not sound 40 grams different. It sounds the same. It just SEEMS very cool when you pick it up. Why is that? It's all psychological. All it really does is cost more to ship, more to press, and it eats up resources faster. Petroleum. Gotta love it. There has already been a vinyl shortage, semi-resolved for the moment, but still: the raw material is shipping from overseas. Records are far from "green" to begin with. 180 just seems like going overboard. That's just me.

(Prediction: Prices are going to skyrocket for vinyl from the Czech Republic, not that I press there, though many do. Hooray falling USD! Look for steady increases on domestic pressings over the next year too.)

Why the hell am I talking about this? Oh yeah, the suggestion of blue 180 Gram. Not gonna happen. Picture Disc? Probably gonna happen before 2008 takes a crap and little baby 2009 rolls in. Been on the backburner for years. Other variation that's been peeing itself to be born? Red/Black split color. Yeah. I said it. Think about it. Let the flavor seep into your face. (No promises on that one, but it would be cool.)

Salsa. Guacamole. Made fresh. Think about that instead.

I've got to disagree that 180g sounding better is not a psychological thing. I've got a number of 180g records, and a 220g, and they all sound better than any non-180g+ records that I have. Granted, a lot of that has to do with the master, and the original production, but vinyl weight does matter. At least to me...

[troll] I really couldn't care less if this album ever gets the 180g treatment, I don't give two shits about the band. I just disagree about the 180g thing. [/troll]

[jailhouse]

You know 180 gram is silly, right? 140 gram does not sound 40 grams different. It sounds the same. It just SEEMS very cool when you pick it up. Why is that? It's all psychological. All it really does is cost more to ship, more to press, and it eats up resources faster. Petroleum. Gotta love it. There has already been a vinyl shortage, semi-resolved for the moment, but still: the raw material is shipping from overseas. Records are far from "green" to begin with. 180 just seems like going overboard. That's just me.

(Prediction: Prices are going to skyrocket for vinyl from the Czech Republic, not that I press there, though many do. Hooray falling USD! Look for steady increases on domestic pressings over the next year too.)

Why the hell am I talking about this? Oh yeah, the suggestion of blue 180 Gram. Not gonna happen. Picture Disc? Probably gonna happen before 2008 takes a crap and little baby 2009 rolls in. Been on the backburner for years. Other variation that's been peeing itself to be born? Red/Black split color. Yeah. I said it. Think about it. Let the flavor seep into your face. (No promises on that one, but it would be cool.)

Salsa. Guacamole. Made fresh. Think about that instead.

I could never in my life count the amount of times this argument has been had over weights.

Personally It seems to me that they sound better, but I also agree that it could be a placebo effect type thing.

But... it could very well sound better because the extra vinyl keeps the record from warping and it does withstand the test of time much better and is less prone to damage.

[vardcore]

The weight does not matter, with the exception that if a vinyl press has to apply less pressure to the stampers to allow a heavier record, then there is a higher likelyhood of non-fill in the grooves and a worse sounding record. Now, any plant that is touting the heavier records probably knows this and already worked out the bugs, i.e. the plants that only press black records on 180. There's a reason.

Theoretically, a thinner record would sound better, as the plates will definitely have squeezed way down into the vinyl blob. Of course, a flimsy record is a bummer... and too far in that direction feels like it could warp more easily. There was a problem a few years back with thin-ass records getting warped by the force of their own shrink wrap. Ha. Shrink wrapping vinyl is a bummer for other reasons too, of course. Ha.

If you press a record on both 180 and 140 (same color vinyl) they will sound the same, as long as the same metalwork is used on both. It's all in the mastering, i.e. the lacquer-cutting phase. If you compare something cut at Aardvark with something cut direct-to-metal at GZ, you will probably like the GZ version better. (Case in point: Fifth Hour Hero / No Choice split 7". Go ahead. Compare the US and UK versions.)

[kurtz]

There is a difference between 180 gram and 140 gram, but with a punk band like Against Me! you will hardly notice anything since their music doesn't have much dynamic range. If you listen to a band with more dynamics, such as Explosions In The Sky, the difference will be much more noticeable.

I agree that 180 gram is a waste on any kind of punk rock record.

[jailhouse]

The weight does not matter, with the exception that if a vinyl press has to apply less pressure to the stampers to allow a heavier record, then there is a higher likelyhood of non-fill in the grooves and a worse sounding record. Now, any plant that is touting the heavier records probably knows this and already worked out the bugs, i.e. the plants that only press black records on 180. There's a reason.

Theoretically, a thinner record would sound better, as the plates will definitely have squeezed way down into the vinyl blob. Of course, a flimsy record is a bummer... and too far in that direction feels like it could warp more easily. There was a problem a few years back with thin-ass records getting warped by the force of their own shrink wrap. Ha. Shrink wrapping vinyl is a bummer for other reasons too, of course. Ha.

If you press a record on both 180 and 140 (same color vinyl) they will sound the same, as long as the same metalwork is used on both. It's all in the mastering, i.e. the lacquer-cutting phase. If you compare something cut at Aardvark with something cut direct-to-metal at GZ, you will probably like the GZ version better. (Case in point: Fifth Hour Hero / No Choice split 7". Go ahead. Compare the US and UK versions.)

I only press at GZ

I was looking at a site yesterday about this, and the 180 gram is actually able to hold a groove better than a lighter weight record.

The time constraints are also expanded a bit. I don't remember the reasons that were said.

But again, I think one aspect that would keep a heavier weight sounding better, is that it is less likely to wear down as quickly as a lighter weight record thus maintaining the intended original cut for longer.

Also the needle has a tendency to wear on a record and after a while expand and disfigure the grooves, especially if it not replaced enough. The 180 gram would be more resistant to this sort of wear.

To each their own I guess.

I do think quality wise a 180 gram is the obvious choice if anything because of simple durability.

[mattramone]

There is a difference between 180 gram and 140 gram, but with a punk band like Against Me! you will hardly notice anything since their music doesn't have much dynamic range. If you listen to a band with more dynamics, such as Explosions In The Sky, the difference will be much more noticeable.

I agree that 180 gram is a waste on any kind of punk rock record.

You just made the Falcon cry.

[kurtz]

There is a difference between 180 gram and 140 gram, but with a punk band like Against Me! you will hardly notice anything since their music doesn't have much dynamic range. If you listen to a band with more dynamics, such as Explosions In The Sky, the difference will be much more noticeable.

I agree that 180 gram is a waste on any kind of punk rock record.

You just made the Falcon cry.

???

[nickheitman]

i just feel like a better person when i pick up heavier things.

[Guest afsdan]

the Tired From Now On lp on No Idea is 180g.

sounds awesome!

sadly, no Americans do the Direct Metal Mastering. there is definetely a difference between that and aardvark. however, going to the Czech Republic seems silly when aardvark is a mile or so away.