bye bye vicodin and percocet, hello chronic pain!

[melikecheese]

OK someone missed the point / this new article is not fully clear...quoting below cause it connects.

They only want to remove the acetaminophen from those painkillers because it is often in them without the takers knowledge, who then might go take some more acetaminophen and cause damage. So they pull the ones that contain acetaminophen and replace it will Vicodin that does not. To quote the article;

"If the combination products are eliminated, the acetaminophen and the other ingredients could be prescribed separately. "

On the Tylenol topic, I recently read that acetaminophen is a lot worse for your body then they initially knew. It has always been know that it harms your liver, but apparently it does it at a much faster rate then they thought. Taking it with caffeine, like in migraine medicine makes it harder for your liver to cycle out the by products that can cause it damage which then causes more damage.

To totally pull this products without making a "safer" solution for people with chronic pain, or someone who just had a painful surgery is just dumb.

[Guest drahtuos]

On the Tylenol topic, I recently read that acetaminophen is a lot worse for your body then they initially knew. It has always been know that it harms your liver, but apparently it does it at a much faster rate then they thought. Taking it with caffeine, like in migraine medicine makes it harder for your liver to cycle out the by products that can cause it damage which then causes more damage.

To totally pull this products without making a "safer" solution for people with chronic pain, or someone who just had a painful surgery is just dumb.

acetaminophen is fucked. i've always read that you should be wary of acetaminophen and it's dangerous interactions with other drugs. shit is lethal when combined with almost anything it seems at high enough dosages. any death that resulted from robotripping most assuredly involved acetaminophen.

[Guest drahtuos]

this is definitely good news.

[dante3000]

Whenever I'm not sure what side my liver is on I take some acetaminophen and drink some beers and I can feel that thing right away. Great organ locator.

[sgoodcore]

My pain reliever of choice has always been Ibuprofen/Advil.

[Guest drahtuos]

same here, ibuprofen all the way.

[dante3000]

I heal myself well on solitude and alcohol.

[sgoodcore]

I heal myself well on solitude and alcohol.

Oh whatever married man.

[Guest drahtuos]

I heal myself well on solitude and alcohol.

that works too

[mcm1610]

People go to the doctor?

[sgoodcore]

People go to the doctor?

Its called health insurance. The government is actually working to make it available and less about profit, at the moment.

[mcm1610]

I really wish people were more self-reliant when it came to their health. Yes, when you're legitimately sick, or you hurt yourself, or whatever, go to the hospital. But when you have the flu, or a cold, or allergies, stop bogging down the system, ESPECIALLY hospitals.

Fucking tough it out. You don't need a pill for every tiny illness or injury or ache. I'm positive there's other factors at play, but for being the far-and-away most medicated country in the world, our average lifespan isn't nearly as long as a lot of other countries.

[sgoodcore]

I really wish people were more self-reliant when it came to their health. Yes, when you're legitimately sick, or you hurt yourself, or whatever, go to the hospital. But when you have the flu, or a cold, or allergies, stop bogging down the system, ESPECIALLY hospitals.

Fucking tough it out. You don't need a pill for every tiny illness or injury or ache. I'm positive there's other factors at play, but for being the far-and-away most medicated country in the world, our average lifespan isn't nearly as long as a lot of other countries.

Being higly medicated does not equate to a good health care system, just a lot of soccer moms on pain killers. I suppose that's what you're saying too.

I don't think toughing it out is the right approach either. But when you don't have health care you can't just walk in to a doctor's office, hence the trip to the hospital emergency room.

Suffice it to say the health care system in the US needs a lot of work. More preventive care, more health coverage, less about profit, more about health.

[mcm1610]

There's studies proving that truly impoverished people, basically those living in squalor, have immune systems that would run circles around those with the best healthcare in the world. There's definitely something to be said for toughing it out - obviously not for the weak, young, or elderly, and not every illness encountered, but for the most part you don't need a doctor for everything.

[sgoodcore]

There's studies proving that truly impoverished people, basically those living in squalor, have immune systems that would run circles around those with the best healthcare in the world. There's definitely something to be said for toughing it out - obviously not for the weak, young, or elderly, and not every illness encountered, but for the most part you don't need a doctor for everything.

Because living in squalor they are exposed to much more than someone living in better conditions. Toughing it out to me is the wrong thing to do just as much as over prescription of medicine is wrong too.

[dante3000]

I made a big post about how I never go to the doctor unless needed and then decided it sounded too douchey but basically, yeah, Americans are prescribed way more shit than they need.

[sgoodcore]

I made a big post about how I never go to the doctor unless needed and then decided it sounded too douchey but basically, yeah, Americans are prescribed way more shit than they need.

I totally, 100% agree people are prescribed more than they need. However, people should go to the doctor's office too much over never going. I think people don't go to their doctor enough.

[mcm1610]

Why? So we can hand the medical industry more money than it needs for them to either tell us to rest, take fluids, and ibuprofen if there's pain, or prescribe us another antibiotic despite it being a virus that caused us to get sick?

Primaries barely do anything productive anymore, but you need referrals for anything significant. I know I have a hernia right now (because I've had one in the past) but I have to go pay my $10 copay (plus more significantly, take at least half a day off work) so my primary can send me to a surgeon. Fuck that.

[thomas]

I hate taking pills, but I know I take them too much. I take stuff everytime I get a headache, because they normally turn into migraines if I don't take anything as they start. I hate taking prescription stuff though, and the only think I take is my SSRI's and I was super reluctant to take that shit.

[lonesomexloveus]

Why? So we can hand the medical industry more money than it needs for them to tell either tell us to rest, take fluids, and ibuprofen if there's pain, or prescribe us another antibiotic despite it being a virus that caused us to get sick?

Primaries barely do anything productive anymore, but you need referrals for anything significant. I know I have a hernia right now (because I've had one in the past) but I have to go pay my $10 copay so my primary can send me to a surgeon. Fuck that.

well, my co-workers husband refused to go to the doctor, then he got pneumonia which progressed into a blood disease (i forget it's name) which progressed into leukemia, his immune system totally collapsed, now he's on life support and all his systems are failing.

sooooooo more is better than not enough in that respect.

and it depends on what kind of health insurance you have when it comes to having to go to your primary physician before you can go to a specialist.

also, i don't get the 'i'm not going to spend $10 to fix an obvious medical condition' thing when most people on here have no problem dropping twice or three times that on one record.

[alex13]

I made a big post about how I never go to the doctor unless needed and then decided it sounded too douchey but basically, yeah, Americans are prescribed way more shit than they need.

without getting on my soapbox, I back this post 100%

I wish shrinks and docs would prescribe more, "Just fucking deal with it"

[sgoodcore]

Primaries barely do anything productive anymore, but you need referrals for anything significant. I know I have a hernia right now (because I've had one in the past) but I have to go pay my $10 copay (plus more significantly, take at least half a day off work) so my primary can send me to a surgeon. Fuck that.

And that has ZERO to do with your primary AND 100% to do with your health insurance, which in this country is FUCK-ED.

I know for sure my primary does routine check-ups and gets my blood and urine run to make sure I doing okay for cholesterol. Being my family has a history of heart disease I think he's doing a damn fine job.

He's also helped with my allergies.

But whatever, you've got your pre-conceived notion about being a big strong human and toughing shit out, there's no changing that line of thinking.

[thomas]

My primary is an internal specialist, so he knows a ton more then a normal family doctor. He is also good about checking out my heart stuff since my family has a history or high cholesterol and high blood pressure. However, he is pretty bad with my allergies, and sent me to a allergist that was not really any help.

[oakland]

Having been down the chronic pain road, I can tell you that this is a good idea. Even doctors know that the acitomitophen is what really hurts people in those drugs. It used to make me super sick all the time, but almost nobody makes narcotics that are JUST narcotics. There's a compounding pharmacy here that does it but it was super expensive to get pills with no tylenol in them. For most people it's totally unnecessary too.

[salparadise]

So they're cool with painkillers like OxyContin that are time-release but can be crushed to all the medicine is administered at once. And I guess fentanyl is cool even though the gel can be scraped off the patches for a similar rush (just ask Jay Bennett).

just to clarify, oxycontin is the "good" part of percocets - while not entirely interchangeable - someone who wants a fix will get it either way from either one. the company that produces the brand oxycontin has started producing caplets with a gel center that hardens and becomes practically useless when crushed and mixes with oxygen. however, the internet being the great resource information that it is - i have seen people take this light blue hardened substance (similar consistency to dried craft glue) and turn it into a filthy looking black substance that can be injected and work the same way.

this whole thing sort of fucks me off/effects me directly. my oncologist will not allow me to take tylenol or aspirin - the tylenol because of the effects on the liver that is already being compromised by the chemotherapy and the fact that it hides fevers (and at 100.5 i have to go to the hospital no matter what) and the aspirin because it messes with blood a lot and with what i've got that's sort of a problem. so he has resorted to giving me 5mg oxycontins, because, well that's all that's left at this point - at any rate, because the tight wad doctor who gives me shots 19 days a month that make my bones ache and the insurance company that does not have any compassion for human life what so ever, i am stuck with ~20 pills a month and basically just told to deal with it if i run out. meanwhile...at pain management "clinics" across the country, there are lines of junkies/dealers in the waiting rooms waiting to get their monthly prescription for 240+ 40-80 mg oxycontins.

i don't disagree with them trying to "crack down" on irresponsible use and accidental deaths and all of that, but i would like the system to...work...for people who uh...for people who need it.

love you, america.