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Did you sleep through the entire TDAGARIM thread, or?

I completely agree that this is intense and aggressive. Jesse has not confessed to the specific allegations and nothing has come to light proving them to be true yet. We're about as clear on this as we were the day she made her first comment on FB. I just support the truth, and do not think that attacking neither alleged accused or the alleged victim is constructive.

Let's just blindly believe everything said on the internet. This scene is pretty well-known for being unreliable on both sides. While this does seem like a witch pursuit thing, I'm not against anyone trying to figure out the truth.

It is easy to see it from this perspective being someone that has likely not been put into this kind of situation, the point is to not look at it from your own personal experience and what YOU would probably do, and open up to the experience they may have had. These girls were mentally manipulated and coerced (at a young age where hormones are in full force and the brain is still very malleable) into doing these things that made them feel uncomfortable because it made them feel good that someone they admired was giving them attention. They most likely felt hurt during the entire span of these events but still wanted to be wanted by the person that was doing this to them (not unlike an unhealthy relationship between two consenting adults). Hindsight is, unfortunately, a requirement to see the total damage done in this types of situations as your vision is blurred and your mental clarity is compromised while you're being manipulated. It doesn't matter how long "rock stars" have been doing this and no one is trying to give the death sentence. It's still not. okay. We're talking about it now, and reiterate myself, that is better than never.

He can have my three pennies that he would profit from my sale. I can’t pretend like this hasn’t been 90% of what has entered my ear holes in the past three months.

No pre-order thread has ever gone off topic, but still remained somewhat relevant before. This is unacceptable!

You and Derek are just the woooooorst.

Don't feed the Shelbz.

Here, in the everyday real world, when most people hear pedophile, they think something akin to mustachio creep-show sitting outside of an elementary school playground, not a guy in his twenties sexting with a girl in her mid-late teens. We also do not know that Jesse actually had sex with a minor. So. It still means sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Anyone is free to use whatever term they chose, but "pedophile" still, literally, does not fit the bill here.

As far as any of us are aware, Jesse is not sexually attracted to prepubescent children. This is disturbing enough without being hyperbolic by throwing the term "pedophile" around. Carry on.

It’s sticky when someone you’re close to confides in you and likely asks you not to tell anyone because they’re scared and/or they are still under the manipulated spell and the damage hasn’t fully set in yet. We don’t know these people didn’t try to take action behind closed doors to support the victims. I think we can all get on board with the conversation happening now than not at all.

For a group of grown men, there sure are a lot of drama queens in here. I was skeptical of the validity of the claims as well until the statement was released, and I am a woman that has been put in more gross situations than any of you guys would think. It's not such a far fetched notion to acknowledge that anyone can say anything on the internet to gain attention/cause trouble. It's the easiest thing in the world to sit behind your keyboard in the comfort of your home and spread lies. It's also not such a far fetched notion to acknowledge that people we may admire such as Lacey and C.K. might be gross. I think anyone in here that was skeptical were keeping the door open to both possibilities until more information was provided. Move on. Thank you.

That reads like a girl got her heart broken by a boy? This age difference trend, though. oof.

A mostly minor irrelevant technicality in the grand scheme of things, but Jesse Lacey is not Brand New, he is IN Brand New. The band, Brand New, did not engage in acts of sexual misconduct. Jesse Lacey did.

That thread reads like this is and has been common knowledge. Today is the first time I've ever heard anything like this. What am I missing?

This right here is the most information we've received on this release since it went up.

Don't get my hopes up.

We have a cold front sticking around all weekend and Stranger Things is out today. I don't think I've ever been so content with not having a life.

gtfo with your relevant and informative post.

End of discussion.

I had planned on visiting the Elliott Smith memorial wall a few years ago, but within five minutes of getting to the outskirts of LA we decided it was the worst idea to venture any further into the city, ever, at any time.

There is like a week left in October, and they really didn’t plan what date they intend on getting these out? I’m patient, it’s just blatantly obvious they want to be vague, and I don’t see the point in that.

Where is it coming from. I have a pre-shipment on myUSPS. I am expecting this and another thing -- neither have sent me shipping confirmations. edit: It's not this.